Tim Miller/Mick Goodrick book!

marcwhy · #1 01-19-2012, 07:12 AM

It's out (almost)! Dave (TruthHertz) has been talking about this for a while, and Tim's had it on his web site ("Coming Soon!") forever, but here it is for pre-order: Amazon.com: Creative Chordal Harmony for Guitar - Berklee Press Book/Cd (9780876391280): Mick Goodrick, Tim Miller: Books

I heard the publisher was "releasing" it at NAMM this week, so it should be ready on Amazon soon (I hope).

Marc

JakeAcci · #2 01-19-2012, 07:59 AM

I'm on a waiting list for it at the Berklee book store. Interested to see its content, but I've never been much of a book guy.

Some people are certainly excited about it!

TruthHertz · #3 01-19-2012, 09:24 AM

Yes it's out, or in the pipeline for shipping, and if there's a promotional 1 stop tour in Boston (if Mick and Tim do a concert or in-store duo) I'll mention it on this thread. It looks promising.
David

samrsmiley · #4 01-19-2012, 10:27 AM

Definitely excited-I didn't know this was coming out. Didn't Goodrick release a bunch of Van Eps-esque books of tons of voicings? I seem to remember that was his thing after the Advancing Guitarist. He's such a great thought provoking guitarist! I've got his Guitar Player articles, and might just upload them onto my website... hmm.

mr_nargle · #5 01-20-2012, 03:15 AM

Looking forward to the book! And to Samrsmiley about the Mick Goodrick Guitar Player articles...yes please!

Nuff Said · #6 01-20-2012, 09:47 AM

Does Mick Goodrick still teach at Berklee, he taught Julian Lage and many others.

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TruthHertz · #7 01-20-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuff Said

Does Mick Goodrick still teach at Berklee, he taught Julian Lage and many others.

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Nuff

He does indeed. Julian, Wolfgang, Krantz, Sco, Nir Felder, Larry Baione the head of the Guitar department, Emily Remler and the list goes on. Quite a resume. And he's always got a new project in the works. Tim and Mick are both there.
David

TruthHertz · #8 01-30-2012, 04:14 PM

For those within reach of Boston, up for a rare and most likely never happen again event, Mick is coming out of retirement for one night. A quartet co-led by Mick and Tim Miller, (both Paul Motian guitarists) at a club called Johnny D's in Somerville. Feb 21st. It's a Tuesday. They're promoting the book. But it's a 2 set evening of music; want to see Mick and Tim do standards? Their tunes too. Just wanted any of you to know.
David

marcwhy · #9 01-30-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TruthHertz

For those within reach of Boston, up for a rare and most likely never happen again event, Mick is coming out of retirement for one night. A quartet co-led by Mick and Tim Miller, (both Paul Motian guitarists) at a club called Johnny D's in Somerville. Feb 21st. It's a Tuesday. They're promoting the book. But it's a 2 set evening of music; want to see Mick and Tim do standards? Their tunes too. Just wanted any of you to know.
David

Curse you, David, for telling those of us outside the area about this gig!!

Man, that will be amazing! David, will you be doing your official sound engineering/taping of the gig????

Marc

djangoles · #10 01-30-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TruthHertz

For those within reach of Boston, up for a rare and most likely never happen again event, Mick is coming out of retirement for one night. A quartet co-led by Mick and Tim Miller, (both Paul Motian guitarists) at a club called Johnny D's in Somerville. Feb 21st. It's a Tuesday. They're promoting the book. But it's a 2 set evening of music; want to see Mick and Tim do standards? Their tunes too. Just wanted any of you to know.
David

I saw him there (johnny d's) about 15 years ago with gary chaffee on drums. There were 4 people there including myself. The other 3 were berklee guys i was friends with. Awesome playing....sad there was nobody there.

TruthHertz · #11 01-30-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by marcwhy

Curse you, David, for telling those of us outside the area about this gig!!

Man, that will be amazing! David, will you be doing your official sound engineering/taping of the gig????

Marc

Nothing but watching and enjoying! By the way, the book is at the binder's at this point. I guess that means boxing and shipping will be very soon.
Soon.
David

JakeAcci · #12 01-30-2012, 09:17 PM

I'll definitely be there, damn.

SearchForMeaning · #13 02-05-2012, 02:10 AM

It's out. Any impressions?

marcwhy · #14 02-05-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SearchForMeaning

It's out. Any impressions?

It was available for pre-order from Amazon, and then magically it was on back order! I went ahead and ordered from my local bookstore, so hopefully it'll get here this week.

Marc

brwnhornet59 · #15 02-05-2012, 10:28 AM

I look forward to it as well.

SearchForMeaning · #16 02-08-2012, 06:32 AM

Any page I randomly flip to and read through is jaw-dropping. This book is like the next generation pedal board for your fingers. NOBODY plays stuff like this.
Hey anybody else notice that Amazon seriously under ordered this book? It was presold, sold for a day and then sold out. WTF?

marcwhy · #17 02-08-2012, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SearchForMeaning

Any page I randomly flip to and read through is jaw-dropping. This book is like the next generation pedal board for your fingers. NOBODY plays stuff like this.
Hey anybody else notice that Amazon seriously under ordered this book? It was presold, sold for a day and then sold out. WTF?

Quit it! I'm still waiting for mine. And yes, I was waiting on Amazon, and then it disappeared! I just ordered from the local book store -- "should" be in this week!

jsepguitar · #18 02-08-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SearchForMeaning

Any page I randomly flip to and read through is jaw-dropping. This book is like the next generation pedal board for your fingers. NOBODY plays stuff like this.
Hey anybody else notice that Amazon seriously under ordered this book? It was presold, sold for a day and then sold out. WTF?

Yes, I order it from Amazon and realized they under ordered, but I think they may have fixed it. I placed my order on Feb 1st and the estimated delivery date was between Feb 24th and Mar 7th. But yesterday I got a note saying they moved up the date and I should get it by Feb 13th, so I"m assuming they just received additional stock and are shipping it out.

brwnhornet59 · #19 02-08-2012, 11:09 AM

I ordered mine as well. It is back ordered, but I can wait.

JakeAcci · #20 02-08-2012, 01:05 PM

SearchForMeaning - are you in Boston? They just got in at the Berklee book store yesterday, I picked up my copy.

For anybody curious, I think the gist of it is kind of like triad pairs on crack...rather than pairing actual triads to imply a harmony (for either comping or soloing) it takes all possible pairs of groups of three notes in a scale, omitting the root. Apologies if that's an incorrect interpretation, that's just my understanding so far.

Pretty dense and advanced stuff. I don't have any plan to work through it all any time soon - I feel like there are more rudimentary things I'd like to get in my fingers and ears first.

I'm interested to hear what people wind up doing with this book. As there's a lot of excitement, I hope to hear people giving the material their own personal spin.

TruthHertz · #21 02-08-2012, 01:21 PM

Hey there

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Originally Posted by JakeAcci

For anybody curious, I think the gist of it is kind of like triad pairs on crack...rather than pairing actual triads to imply a harmony (for either comping or soloing) it takes all possible pairs of groups of three notes in a scale, omitting the root. Apologies if that's an incorrect interpretation, that's just my understanding so far.

Yeah that's it. But not necessarily triads built in 3rds, 3 note groupings. So you hear splashes of sounds, colours if you will, that change when the next triad is played. The overall effect is a texture that covers the modal implication of that change without ever actually playing the obvious 1 3 5 triad. It's all there but it's melodic and totally surprizing. Arpeggiate them and you've got a wild roller coaster ride that allows you to play very complex lines and sounds with only thinking 2 triads. Pretty neat. Or that's what I get from it anyway. Like all Goodrick books, he puts it out there and deftly avoids any hand holding. You make it yours and nobody will sound like you.
What do you think of the Tim Miller examples?
By the way, the show on the 21st will begin at 8, a long set with Mick and maybe another with just Tim leading as a trio. John Lockwood and Terri Lyne Carrington complete the group.
David

JakeAcci · #22 02-08-2012, 01:26 PM

The playing is beautiful. Definitely unlike anything I've heard before, and gives me a lot more appreciation for the Tim CD I have - those voicings he uses I think are much heavier than just "hey, sounds cool when I put my fingers here."

For those who don't have it yet - the CD is entirely just the examples in the book except for the first track which I believe is Mick and Tim duo on Stella...it's quite an arrangement. I think of it kind of like a modern jazz guitar dream factory or something.

And yeah, groups of three notes, but not necessarily "triads."

David, are you planning much practice with this material? Do you have a plan of attack or have you already been working with it? If so, I'm sure people who are receiving the book and eager to actually work on the material (rather than glossing it over and stroking my beard like I'm doing!) would benefit from discussion of how to tackle this behemoth.

brwnhornet59 · #23 02-08-2012, 01:31 PM

Yeah David, I would dig hearing your thoughts on this approach as well.

TruthHertz · #24 02-08-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeAcci

David, are you planning much practice with this material? Do you have a plan of attack or have you already been working with it?

Yes, I have no idea of how, but this is a must do. Discussion/work group would be great to start, maybe in a month or so when there's been some time for the water to soak into the ground. In the meanwhile, triad facility!
David

nion · #25 02-08-2012, 05:42 PM

sounds interesting.

Is it somehow similar to Vic Juris' chords book? The stuff you guys mentioned kind of reminded me of that. Great book by the way.

marcwhy · #26 02-13-2012, 07:22 PM

I've been out of town the past week, and I was cruising through the quaint "old town" where I was, and wandered into a mom 'n' pop music store ... As I was perusing the music books, I rounded the corner of a display stand, and lo and behold, right next to a "Lady Gaga" book, was the Mick and Tim book!!! [Funny, since minutes before I stopped into a big-box book store, and they said, "Not available until April!"] I grabbed it, and have been studying it (without guitar!), but I just got home, so now it's time to attempt some exercises.

The book looks amazing, so I'm excited to dig in.

Marc

brwnhornet59 · #27 02-13-2012, 08:36 PM

Mine just shipped from Amazon today!!! Oh Boy.

whatswisdom · #28 02-13-2012, 08:38 PM

Hey guys, Aebersold has a sale on all Berklee Press going on at the moment. Got the notice a few days ago and will be jumping all over the MG soon... I think it runs till the end of the month...

Gearhead · #29 02-19-2012, 10:27 AM

Got my copy yesterday.
I think it is an amazing book - so "simple" on the one hand and so deep on the other. Will spend many months and years to come with it.

The guru did it again

TruthHertz · #30 02-20-2012, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeAcci

David, are you planning much practice with this material? Do you have a plan of attack or have you already been working with it? If so, I'm sure people who are receiving the book and eager to actually work on the material ... would benefit from discussion ...

I've been pulled in by page 29 (that's track 8 on the CD). Close voicings with linear top voices. Some observations:

Of course the order of these chords within a grouping is up to you so your own combinations can have a descending or ascending direction.

Use them as a mix with chordal passages you already use ("embed" them with familiar chords), they will really shine up any grouping of chords. In this way, I see this book as an enormous book of exotic spices rather than a new food group.

There will be some that indeed assimilate this and use it with substitute harmonic context, and they will find a new food group. Make a modal compression of the lydian b7 and play it as a tritone sub for instance. I'm not there yet but it's on my list.

The better your aural harmonic sense is before you begin this book, the more you will appreciate its depths and the faster you will be able to assimilate the riches. If you can't hear your way through your standards without a lead sheet, you're not going to fly as high with this material. That foundation is a good bench mark for a higher level of understanding for the book, not necessary but well worth the work to put in place.

Just because the chords are written out doesn't mean they are locked from experimentation. Already someone has experimented with dropping the bass note down an octave. With close voicings this can be a profound variation.

I'm starting to scratch the surface and the gold that comes up under my fingernails is a lifetime of riches.

Anyone else have any thoughts/observations?

By the way, I'm simultaneously working with non diatonic hybrid chord progressions (another project entirely). Anyone interested in that particular box of spices?

Maybe a new thread with chord spices?

David