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Also put a celestion gold 10" in the princeton. Perfect speaker for that amp.
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10-24-2023 02:50 PM
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Same here! I use a 5F8-A clone at home. It sounds incredible quiet or loud.
Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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If I had that budget and needed an amp, I'd definitely contact Rob Lohr at Allston Amps. He's a real master and can make you exactly what you want - he makes his own dovetail cabinets, hand-built point-to-point, etc. At one point, he made amps for the rooms at Berklee. His shop (last that I was living in Boston a few years ago) is in the basement of Mr. Music in Allston. Pretty sure he has a FB page. Originally Posted by NYC
Here's a good synopsis article I found online.. Dumble-Inspired Guitar Amplifiers
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How about the new ‘68 Custom Vibro Champ. 5 watts, reverb, and a 10” speaker. Seems like the perfect home amp to me.
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Sometimes buying a piece of gears, motivates me to play/create music. That leads me to want to do something a little better. I then end practicing. As long as I remember to apply what I practice, I get better.
From what I can see , there is about three reasons to do music. One, expression. Two, money. Three, fun. When I was young, I thought that the only “legitimate” reason was expression. However, now that I am old, I have a feeling that one can not really place that list of reasons into a hierarchy.
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Mike Marsh Clifton jr with 12" speaker.
I have one and I prefer it to my Carr Sportsman. Personal favorite of Jay Wolfe, though this looks like one of the few times he doesn't have one in stock.
Here's an ended listing. 2022 Marsh - Clifton Reverb Junior - Blackout | Reverb
Contact Mike directly and you can add Direct out, bias points, etc. Dump the Italian Jensen Jay orders for Warehouse or Weber, Mike has LOTS of speaker options.
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So for the OP wouldn’t it be nice to have one amp that covered all of gigs from duos to loud rock bands and rehearsals as well? Forget low powered tube amps in that case or high powered ones that weigh a ton as well!
Try both Quilter and Fender ToneMaster series and see which one speaks to you at the best price point and versatility factor as well.
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If you want a fantastic amp with the best customer service in the biz, call Jack Anderson and tell him what you want! [Recommended for everyone who can articulate the "vibe" they're looking for, and Jack will wire it up! He won't stop until you're happy!]
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Pretty hard to argue with hand wired Princeton Reverb or Headstrong l'l King. Louis Electric also makes an outstanding Princeton Reverb (Cambridge) based amp. All are outstanding choices. But it's equally hard to argue against the TM amps...great tone, extremely useful attenuator, cab/mic simulation, takes pedals really well, you can go direct, 23 lbs, no tubes to fuss with. Not much to not like (I think I said that right). However, I'll have to admit, the Princetons, Headstrong, and TM amps would be in my top 5. But if you haven't had a chance to plug into a Fender TM, do yourself a favor and try one out. This tube fanatic did. I couldn't be happier with mine. Especially at gigs.
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I went into a local shop today in here in NYC and test ran a Twin Reverb 65 Reisse and absoltely fell in love with that sound. I have to have one now. Now, i'm investigating the best option in getting one. Its a must. At low volume 1/2 it still sounded fine to me. Boy that sound was unique tested to some of the other amps. Originally Posted by wzpgsr
Do i buy the 65 reissue new?
Do I buy an older 70s silver face twin reverb and have it serviced?
Are there other suggestions?
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Yeah... in that case, what you REALLY should get is either a '70s Ampeg VT-22 2x12" open-back combo, or a '68 Ampeg B-12XT 2x12" ported combo. Coincidentally, I have one of each available, fully serviced and ready to go.
But, damn, I'm in Toronto. Meet you halfway? The Corning Museum of Glass is a lovely place.
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Not familiar with those amps. Any other info on them? Links, etc? Unfortunately meeting half way probably won't ever happen haha, but im interested in alternatives Originally Posted by Hammertone
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Going to suggest a different route here. Get a Fractal FM3. It has every Fender amp mentioned here modeled with any effects you would want and any CAB modeled you could want.
You can tweak the sound to your hearts' content. It can be controlled from an editor on your computer or from the unit itself.
The editor is setup with controls like the actual amp. You need zero technical knowledge. It comes with built in presets ready to use out of box for all 300 of the amps modeled with complete signal and effects and CAB chain.
To hear it- You can use headphone out, or run signal into any powered flat full range monitor speaker, or a separate power amp and a real CAB.
You can take it to gigs or to practice and run it flat into guitar input of any traditional amp or into effects loop of traditional amp, or straight into a house mixer.
Fractal gear is used by multiple major pro artists. It is pro gear.
You can easily do all of this for well under your budget.
Oh- you can also record with it by sending signal into your PC or MAC DAW.
I got rid of my tube amps/pedals, etc. years ago.
FM3 Mk II Turbo – Amp Modeler – FX Processor – Fractal Audio SystemsLast edited by Lkdog; 10-25-2023 at 10:56 AM.
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Glad you got to play/hear one; yeah, that's Originally Posted by NYC
why I have three of them, and a hand cart.
All of mine are almost 20 years old with no
issues... and all were used when I got them.
Don't be afraid of used amps, test carefully.
Look for young rockers that mistakenly got
a big clean Twin Reverb rather than an over
drive friendly amp that they were expecting.
Help them out; test play, and make an offer.
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Downtune to "eh". Originally Posted by Sam Sherry
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Headstrong Santa Cruz
Headstrong Santa Cruz Amp — Headstrong Amplifiers boutique handwired Fender style tube amps
I really great amp and a much more usable reverb than a Princeton IMHO. I’ll take a different power tubes without a rebias depending on what flavor you’re looking
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Is it imperitive to buy a "vintage" handwired? Are the new reissues "garbage" as some say? and a waste of money? I know handwired is better from a forever and longevity/treatable and repairable convenience, perhaps but sound wise is it noticable in a side by side setting? Originally Posted by pauln
Also, does anyone have experience with the MesaBoogie Mark 5? I'm looking into that amp now and my perception is that it offers a blackface copy type clean sound, but does have a master volume. Does master volume mess with the organics of the sound?
Are mesa boogies handbuilt and hand wired still? They are certainly priced like it...
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I have five Fender re-issues and one original 1965 Super Reverb; all sound great. Originally Posted by NYC
I've never used a master volume amp, I only play dead clean. If looks make a difference to the sound, the old Super may have an advantage...
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I have had the smaller Mesa MkV and the and the bigger 90 watt version. Originally Posted by NYC
The clean channels are great. Fantastic amp heads. Buy used. They are bullet proof.
Honestly, check out the Fractal digital modelers. I get the whole tube amp mystique allure. I have had a ton of them. The lights, the smell, the look, etc.
The Fractal modelers do them all just as well plus you get a complete signal chain of effects and cabs.
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It depends on which amps you're talking about. When it comes to Twin Reverbs, from best sounding to worst i'd say it goes: Originally Posted by NYC
- Real pre-CBS blackface, very early CBS Silverface (same circuit as BF), or mid-CBS (80 Watt) that has been blackfaced; all about the same, and the differences between one example and another will be due to condition and speakers.
- 65 Reissue (PCB wiring)
- mid-CBS wihout BF mods (I don't like these much)
- Later CBS (the ones that are >100 watts with master volumes and circuits that can't be BF'ed; I really can't stand these)
With Deluxes and Princetons (and also Vibrolux Reverbs), the circuits didn't change nearly as much as with the bigger Fender amps up until the point that Fender stopped making them in the early 80s, and they're all great. The reissues are excellent too. Definitely not garbage, but I do think that original SF's and BF's in good condition are a little better. I've played my 78 PR side by side with a 65 PRRI a lot; mine is louder and bigger sounding, but the 65 PRRI is still a really good sounding amp.
They're all repairable, it's just that PCB-based ones tend to be more expensive to repair than point to point because it takes more time.
I'm looking into that amp now and my perception is that it offers a blackface copy type clean sound, but does have a master volume. Does master volume mess with the organics of the sound? [/QUOTE] Originally Posted by NYC
i've never played through one of those. In general, Mesa master volumes work well because Mesa in general bakes a lot of the tone and distortion into the preamp. Master voiumes in Fender-style amps that have low gain, clean preamp sections tend not to be very useful.
SFAIK, all their models except the very earliest ones are a mix of PCB and hand wiring. In general, they're pretty bullet proof. They're expensive because they use high quality components and construction and pack a ton of features and power into compact packages, and because Mesa also does a lot of product development and research. Originally Posted by NYC
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i've never played through one of those. In general, Mesa master volumes work well because Mesa in general bakes a lot of the tone and distortion into the preamp. Master voiumes in Fender-style amps that have low gain, clean preamp sections tend not to be very useful. Originally Posted by John A.
SFAIK, all their models except the very earliest ones are a mix of PCB and hand wiring. In general, they're pretty bullet proof. They're expensive because they use high quality components and construction and pack a ton of features and power into compact packages, and because Mesa also does a lot of product development and research.[/QUOTE]
I'd agree with you in stating that the Reissue Fender amps sound great but just not quite as "big and loud" as the origonal vintage versions. I've noticed that myself actually and that is a great way of putting it. Why exactly is that? Does the PCB board wiring make the tone and sound lower quality or is it that they have intentionally modified the circuit?
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A properly dialed in Boogie is a fantastic sounding amp. But, they can be very tricky to dial in. I'm not sure about the V, but be aware that on some of them the fan is loud enough to be annoying at practice levels. Originally Posted by Lkdog
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That is good information. That would drive me nuts. That may have just taken MB off the table. I spoke to Louis at Louis Electric today on the phone and he explained that his Deltone Reverb is basically a Deluxe/Twin Reverb blended because it has a mid control like the twins have. Althogh he uses a tube powered rectifier rather than SS rectifier like the fenders, but said he can build it with a ss rectefier just like the fender and make an exact clone... this is tempting - especially becase he is local here in nyc Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
Does anyone have experience with his amps? Louis Electric. Are they high quality? For the price point - Mid 2k's
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I have all these tube amps and I have been gigging with a bunch of Fenders and clones for a few years now. Blackface fender and similar clones are really the way to go for classic jazz tone. Here's my comments-
65 Twin re-issue and Twins in general have solid state rectifiers. I like tube rectifiers better, there's more color to the sound. You can't get amps with tube rectifiers that are more than approx 40 watts (for some reason, probably some electrical engineering reason). A Twin is good to have around for times when you need to be super loud. I will always keep mine, but I rarely use it.
Princeton- too small for gigs, don't bother.
Deluxe reverb- I bought a really clean 1965 (original, not a re-issue). Sounds amazing. Old amps are kinda glitchy. I had it serviced by the best guy in town, it still makes some weird noises. I don't trust it enough to gig with it much, seems unreliable. I have handwired clones that are very similar. That being said, this is the best amp I have ever heard. Dial it in with a tiny bit of breakup and it's UNREAL. One day I cranked it all the way up with a strat and it sounds like hundreds of rock and pop hit songs.
I usually gig with the handwired clones. 20 watt Longbeard, 40 watt Longbeard, 40 watt Fargen Blackbird. I will add a 12 in ext speaker sometimes for big rooms.
That 20 watt Longbeard Lil Jake sounds quite good, almost as good as the antique deluxe. Breaks up just a hair, sounds nice. The deluxe breaks up way more. This is the one that goes to the majority of my gigs. Easy to carry, sounds great, super reliable.
The 40w Fargen is silky clean and smooth, I use it for studio recording. It's a flawless sound. I use it for gigs too, as 40 watts is the sweet spot for tune rectifiers and a nice loud amp. 40 watts is good for situations where you don't know what you're walking into, like an open jam with too many horn players or overzealous piano players.
Blackface boutique clone amps depreciate fast and you can pick them up used for pretty cheap. People don't know all the weird brand names so they just don't sell for high prices like Fender. Even inferior PCB re-issue Fenders will often sell for more than a handwired clone. The workmanship is superb on these things and I have never had one break or need a repair.
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The original Boogie (now known as the Mark 1) is a fairly simple device that's easily dialed in. I used one from about 1978 until I got fed up with schlepping a 65 pound 1x12 combo a few years ago (the stock Mk 1 weighs 61, but mine had an EVM and a fan). Mk 1s are out there at reasonable prices, and they are absolutely bulletproof. Through hundreds of gigs over all those years, it never gave me a moment's problem. I changed the tubes once about 20 years in, just because I thought I should. Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
The complexity started to increase as soon as they went to the Mk 2, and the Mk 3s are knob and switch farms - it's almost impossible to get the same settings unless you never touch the controls once you dial it in. But the original hunree (100 watts switchable to 60 plus reverb) remains one of the greatest gigging amps of all time for any kind of music. The 5 band graphic EQ really does the job, along with the standard set of tone pots. Don't shy away from the reissue Mk 1 - it's truly a reissue and virtually the same amp as the initial run.
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