90%???

[Woody Sound]

JC is a great player, but see at around 1:00. 90%? Oh c'mon.

[Woody Sound]

Sorry folks, I posted this in the wrong subforum. Maybe the Mod can move it to Guitars, Amps, Gizmos, etc.

[Stringswinger]

Certainly he exaggerates saying that an electric archtop loses 90 percent of the acoustic sound. At most it only loses 85 percent.

Overall a pretty good video. Herb Ellis would have disagreed about the need for a tube amp (and so do I ).

[wintermoon]

It's been discussed here but I can't remember why this L-5 has only 1 volume and 1 tone control but 2 pu's and selector switch. Some sort of converted L-5C I assume.But if you're the Lincoln Center guitarist you're probably a pretty darned good player.

[gitman]

It's been discussed here but I can't remember why this L-5 has only 1 volume and 1 tone control but 2 pu's and selector switch. Some sort of converted L-5C I assume.But if you're the Lincoln Center guitarist you're probably a pretty darned good player.

He's a good player (+ part of the Ear-Inn pool of musicians) but also comes across here as a VERY opinionated fellow ...
It's been my experience that the ability on the instrument and the general knowledge about music/the level of musicianship is one thing and
it does not necessarily have to balance with a deep knowledge and insight re one's instrument. Meaning : a fine player does not automatically
become an authority in all things guitar just because he/she spent so much time practicing with it. No offense intended, YMMV

[Woody Sound]

Certainly he exaggerates saying that an electric archtop loses 90 percent of the acoustic sound. At most it only loses 85 percent.
Herb Ellis would have disagreed about the need for a tube amp (and so do I ).

Especially since he's aiming for a more "acoustic" tone, I would think something more full range like Henriksen would work well.

[AllanAllen]

Especially since he's aiming for a more "acoustic" tone, I would think something more full range like Henriksen would work well.

Some people just find an amp or guitar they like and stop looking.

[jazzshrink]

I'm confused. Is there something "for sale" here?

[Woody Sound]

I'm confused. Is there something "for sale" here?

See post #2.

[omphalopsychos]

Wow he didn't even mention that by 90% he meant 90% on a logarithmic scale. Yeah don't listen to this guy he clearly knows nothing about music.

[mr. beaumont]

Yea, I find his videos really annoying. He seems to have these rigid opinions on everything. If you want to study with him, he makes you take his course on sight singing.

See, that doesn't bug me at all, provided it's going to come into play when further studies are done.

I like the idea of prerequisites.

[AllanAllen]

Yea, I find his videos really annoying. He seems to have these rigid opinions on everything. If you want to study with him, he makes you take his course on sight singing.
I saw him play at a local jazz festival that a jazz band I was in was supposed to be playing at, but we got bumped off for some BS political reason.
His L-5 had a great sound, and perfect intonation, but all he played were little blues licks on all his solos; good chord work, though.
I bought his album "Sultry Serenade", and there's some great playing on it; sounds like Johnny Smith, but most of it are these atonal pieces for guitar and trumpet by the once great Johnny Carisi, which really sound like crap. Academic music.

So far, I like the first song on the album.

[wintermoon]

Yea, I find his videos really annoying. He seems to have these rigid opinions on everything. If you want to study with him, he makes you take his course on sight singing.
I saw him play at a local jazz festival that a jazz band I was in was supposed to be playing at, but we got bumped off for some BS political reason.
His L-5 had a great sound, and perfect intonation, but all he played were little blues licks on all his solos; good chord work, though.
I bought his album "Sultry Serenade", and there's some great playing on it; sounds like Johnny Smith, but most of it are these atonal pieces for guitar and trumpet by the once great Johnny Carisi, which really sound like crap. Academic music.

'Sultry Serenade' was the title of an old Herbie Mann lp I bought w a lot of other Mann records over the years.
Herbie doesn't do much for me but it was the only way to hear some extra Billy Bean and other great guitar players he used.

speaking of that Chirillo cd the title cut he calls Sultry Serenade is pretty much a rip off of the old Tyree Glenn tune "How Could You do That Thing to Me"
it's the first tune in this concert

[omphalopsychos]

Yea, I find his videos really annoying. He seems to have these rigid opinions on everything. If you want to study with him, he makes you take his course on sight singing.
I saw him play at a local jazz festival that a jazz band I was in was supposed to be playing at, but we got bumped off for some BS political reason.
His L-5 had a great sound, and perfect intonation, but all he played were little blues licks on all his solos; good chord work, though.
I bought his album "Sultry Serenade", and there's some great playing on it; sounds like Johnny Smith, but most of it are these atonal pieces for guitar and trumpet by the once great Johnny Carisi, which really sound like crap. Academic music.

This post reads as personally motivated. Specifically, this part is simply wrong.

His L-5 had a great sound, and perfect intonation, but all he played were little blues licks on all his solos; good chord work, though.

James is a great single note player and he always outlines harmony in his lines. He uses some blues phrases, but you know who else did? Lester Young.

Here's a clip, I happened to be in the audience that day.

FWIW rigid opinions (backed up by knowledge and experience) are what I look for in a teacher. Too may students want to be coddled and too many teachers want to monetize on feel good pedagogy. If you think James is opinionated you should meet MY teacher.

[NSJ]

When my teacher played gigs with Sinatra, Frank demanded the volume completely down when comping, so he had to use a volume pedal. Sinatra apparently hated the sound of the magnetic pickup, generally. Turning it off is not radical. Like Jim Hall did when he comped at times-he turned off the amp volume . He had to use the volume pedal to have volume to play his chorus when not comping.

Nothing wrong with turning off the amp.

[wintermoon]

This post reads as personally motivated. Specifically, this part is simply wrong.



James is a great single note player and he always outlines harmony in his lines. He uses some blues phrases, but you know who else did? Lester Young.

Here's a clip, I happened to be in the audience that day.

FWIW rigid opinions (backed up by knowledge and experience) are what I look for in a teacher. Too may students want to be coddled and too many teachers want to monetize on feel good pedagogy. If you think James is opinionated you should meet MY teacher.

side note, that's Shaye Cohn, the great Joe Cohn's daughter and a talented multi instrumentalist like her father.

[omphalopsychos]

side note, that's Shaye Cohn, the great Joe Cohn's daughter and a talented multi instrumentalist like her father.

Al Cohn's granddaughter! What a family.

[wintermoon]

Al Cohn's granddaughter! What a family.

4 generations of Cohn's [after Thanksgiving dinner iirc]

[djg]

Yeah, Herbie was the price you had to pay to hear Joe Puma in the 50s. They had one group called the Manhattan Jazz Quartet in the 50s which never made it to CD, AFAIK, that featured Matt Mathews on accordion, Puma, Mann, and bass
The best one was "Yardbird Suite", with a personnel of Phil Woods, Eddie Costa (on vibes, not piano unfortunately), Puma, Herbie, and rhythm.
The liner notes single it out as the first record showing Phil's dramatic change from a dull, unremarkable Bird wannabe, to one of the strongest soloists in the history of jazz.
Unbelievably, there are a few prehistoric creatures left on the planet who prefer the anemic, OOT PW of 1956 and before, to the PW who was the featured soloist on all the great Oliver Nelson, Quincy Jones, Manny Albam big band albums, and the literally countless small group sessions.

I have tried to get the tiny group of neanderthals who prefer early PW to sign their brains over to my laboratory, so I can study them for the anomaly
that accounts for this preference, but they seem unwilling to do so...

i only have one PW record (showboat, because of harry leahey) i prefer my alto players out of tune tbh mclean, ernie henry, sonny red, etc.

got one track to change my mind?

[Woody Sound]

Trying to get back OT. I would love to hear an acoustic duel between an acoustic L5 and an L5CES.

[Hammertone]

Trying to get back OT. I would love to hear an acoustic duel between an acoustic L5 and an L5CES.

Why?

[Dennis D]

Trying to get back OT. I would love to hear an acoustic duel between an acoustic L5 and an L5CES.

This was followed by ' Why ' ? from Hammertone (( sorry not sure how to copy 2 replies ))

So, here's my .02 cents worth:


I ( sort of ) did that when I was shopping for my L-5 Wesmo, or otherwise a different Gibson model.

It was 2017 ( ? ), when Dave's Guitar in LaCrosse had a once in a lifetime buying opportunity / sale. Available at that time, hanging on a wall, was almost every configuration of L-5 and Super 400 there could be - floaters, acoustics, single and double h/b's, etc. All Brand New !

I tried them all, and for me, it came down to this conclusion :
Either the h/b's unplugged were really loud, ( doubtful ) or
The acoustics were really quiet....( more likely ).......They were almost, if not, basically equal in unplugged volume.

I also recently got a chance to play an acoustic L-5 from 1950, and it was lighter in weight than the current ones I played, probably due to the ( noticeably ) smaller bindings throughout. Volumewise, it was close -- maybe louder.....

I wasn't the only member here who made that trip to Dave's. Maybe someone else would like to respond.

Again, just MHO.....

[AllanAllen]

But the Archtop isn't supposed to be loud for the player, it's supposed to project. What did the person in front of you think?

[Dennis D]

But the Archtop isn't supposed to be loud for the player, it's supposed to project. What did the person in front of you think?

Sorry, no ' other ' person available. Just myself in one of their listening booths with the door closed.

[wintermoon]

This was followed by ' Why ' ? from Hammertone (( sorry not sure how to copy 2 replies ))

So, here's my .02 cents worth:


I ( sort of ) did that when I was shopping for my L-5 Wesmo, or otherwise a different Gibson model.

It was 2017 ( ? ), when Dave's Guitar in LaCrosse had a once in a lifetime buying opportunity / sale. Available at that time, hanging on a wall, was almost every configuration of L-5 and Super 400 there could be - floaters, acoustics, single and double h/b's, etc. All Brand New !

I tried them all, and for me, it came down to this conclusion :
Either the h/b's unplugged were really loud, ( doubtful ) or
The acoustics were really quiet....( more likely ).......They were almost, if not, basically equal in unplugged volume.

I also recently got a chance to play an acoustic L-5 from 1950, and it was lighter in weight than the current ones I played, probably due to the ( noticeably ) smaller bindings throughout. Volumewise, it was close -- maybe louder.....

I wasn't the only member here who made that trip to Dave's. Maybe someone else would like to respond.

Again, just MHO.....

Extra plastic binding won't add any perceptible weight difference.