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Eastman/335/Tele > Rivera Jazz Suprema 112 usually with internal spring reverb set between 1-2 (Home studio)
Steel/nylon acoustic electric > Zoom A3 (provision for micing and blending within the pedal) > AER Compact 60 (Home studio)
Other electrics for rock/blues/smooth and fusion jazz/ambient stuff thru setup below (Playing/practice/exploration room)
Rear PTmini: mod > dly > rev > looper > amp fx loop
Front PTmini: tuner > comp > ODs > direct input
Using iPad to control the H9's. Pristine sounding and very flexible units.
Pricey Lego blocks, getting close to the final cut….lol
I have a PT2 in the home studio which is currently in the process of getting reconfigured with midi switching.
Last edited by Deng; 10-14-2014 at 05:51 PM.
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10-14-2014 05:44 PM
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I had one, great pedal but the reverb was too ambient and the delay too bright ultimately. I recently got a Zoom MS50G which is half the price and also has parametric eq and tuner. But the DM is still an amazing piece of gear.
Originally Posted by David B
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I'm still trying to figure out what I need. I have a mic and guitar. I'm pretty set on getting the Boomerang III looper. I'll need a A/B switch for that. Need a mixer- probably go with a Behringer 1002B. That leaves effects for vocals and guitar. Probably go with Zoom G3 for guitar. Something simple for vocals.
I showed the people at Guitar Center what I want to do as far as routing. They had no clue.
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Man, I don't get how all you kids figure those thing out. Hell, my kitchen phone still has a dialer on instead of buttons...
Seriously, I have a Boss CE-2 and DS-1, both of which I've had since the mid 80s, a CryBaby wah-wah of similar vintage, an MXR graphic EQ and a Yamaha MagicStomp. I almost never use any of them; the chorus, distortion and wah-wah are such one trick ponies that I get really tired of the sound in about 10 minutes.
The MagicStomp has lots of intriguing possibilities but Yamaha screwed up with the editor for Macs, so I've never been able to make full use of it (Holdsworth uses six of these in his rig). I've played around with it, mainly using the amp sims into my AI Clarus 2r to try to de-sanitize it some.
But I find that all pedals adversely affect the clean, dry signal. There is some loss of character and tone that just drives me nuts. Even true bypass pedals cause the same thing, just different than the buffered pedals. And since I play dry most of the time, the strangulation of my sound really bugs me. The closest to transparent is the LR Baggs Para DI which I have been experimenting with in front of my 5E3 head to reduce the boomy 6th string bass notes.
I hear so many other people that sound spectacular using various pedals, just not me. My kitchen phone really does have a dialer... now where's that damn Geritol?
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For my music (jazz and my worship chorus) I use a flat top guitar Yamaha L10A in steel (with K & K Pure Mini) and a classical guitar pedals in my custom assembled with:
- Ultrasound DI Max Preamp (two channels)
- Boss CE-5 Chorus Ensemble
- Electro Harmonix Freeze (great supporter pedal)
- Neunaber Seraphim reverb / shimmer.
The current is supplied by
- Micro Power Supply mooer
- Behringer PS400 Phantom (I use with a condenser microphone, Presonus M7 and my guitar in nylon for excellent pure sound.
In the future, the purchase of the machine body B9 Electro Harmonix and very simple looper Digitech Only Express.
The amplifier is a Phil Jones AG supercub 300.
Some pictures, instead of the reverb Boss is now the EH Freeze:
A little sound sampler:
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Speaking of fusion board here's mine:
very versatile setup from super clean to acid jazz.
here's the underneath too...
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Sorry, I can't make out everything on your picture Weeping Panda. What are all these pedals and how is the signal chain?
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my bad, sorry! Here's a frontal view Originally Posted by FrankLearns
I'll try to be concise with explaining the chain. Here goes!
Guitar--->dunlop 95q--->T1M mini buffer(underneath the board)--->Sound Blox PolyFilterMod--->Xotic SP Comp---> Loop Master Looper input. Now from the looper, I have an independent tuner out in which my polutune2 is connected and not in the signal chain and only goes in the chain when I step on the tuner button(acts also as a mute button). Now my Loop 1 is an A/B loop in which I can choose a clean tone (Mooer chorus ensemble) or overdriven tone (Wampler Dual-Fusion) in one switch, and also acts like a clutch for my dual-fusion. Now on loop 2 there's MiniMoog Ring Modulator(black)--->TC Electronic HOF mini--->TC Electronic Flashback delay. On the main out of the loop is another T1M mini buffer--->amp. Ow and by the way the looper also has a master bypass switch.
One reason I put my delay last instead of reverb is that I also use the 40 sec loop function of the flashback delay during a live session when it calls for it. I only use the HOF reverb for ambient drones that I also loop on flashback. I use my ring modulator for some wayne krantz kinda stuff. I use my polymodpro for some serious envelope filtering--I have 6 presets on the fly, from trumpet tone, to human vocal tone, to funky filters. I like dunlop 95q's tone as my wah, plus I dont have to stomp on it--there's no on/off switch. I usually use my SP comp for boosting solos--clean or distorted--but I kinda play around with the dual-fusion on boosting--either vintage or modern drive setting. Again everything depends on the session and what it calls for. If the gig is leaning towards traditional(swing,bop) I might just use the tuner, and the sp comp for boost, maybe the chorus for comping. But if the gig is more modern(rock, jazz, fusion)I'll probably be all over the place.
I hope that sums it off.
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Guitar =>FRV-1 Reverb => G&K MB200 amp => cabinet of the moment (usually a homemade cabinet with a 12", 4 ohm SICA neo speaker or a 2x10 homemade cabinet with 8 ohm JBL's wired parallel. Either cabinet gives me a full 200 watts out of the amp. Personally, I have never liked effects because I could never understand buying a beautiful sounding $2000 guitar and then ruining the natural tone with a $39 fuzz pedal. I generally don't listen to or appreciate music that is laden with effects - it just sounds artificial to me. I will admit that I have used a slight bit of overdrive in the past (Boss Blues Driver) but don't anymore as I just don't play music that requires that type sound. I remember, in the early days, players got that sound by playing junk amplifiers with blown speakers or using a razor blade to cut slits in the cone. Of course, I came up when even rock used clean guitar sound. All the guys I came up listenng to - Johnny Smith, Joe Pass, Chet Atkins, Tony Motolla, Kenny Burrell, and Wes had very clean, fat tone and that's what I grew to appreciate and still do. Of course, everybody likes something different - maybe I'll buy a looper.
Note...I guess I got off topic a little but I did answer the question. Nothing against you folks who have a dozen different effects on your pedal board...........If you like it, go for it!Last edited by Skip Ellis; 10-15-2014 at 10:36 PM.
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nano 6-14 by the photographic minority, on Flickr
here's the little guy i park in front of the littler guys: a pedal train nano into a vox ac4tv and hw1. i also use this board to travel and jam with friends and stuff. i'm very pleased with how much i crammed on to the nano, yes. at some point, i'll make cables so i can tighten things up. the signal:
tuner (merely adequate tuner, but its small) >
jhs double barrel (808 on right, blues breaker on left. 808 is set up as a {very colored} clean boost useful on its own or any of the down stream options. blues breaker is a light {also very colored} overdrive >
sl drive (almost a medium overdrive, boostable with the right side of the double barrel) >
dispatch master (ambient reverb and digital delay) >
reverberator (more "normal" reverbs) >
ep booster (always on to fatten up the little amps, defacto volume knob)
fuel tank jr on the bottom, though the reverberator gets its own wall wart because it gets angry otherwise.
this is the very general setup. set amp just under breakup, two od tones, a boost a delay and two verbs to choose from. pretty simple and nice to have everything ready on the fly. were i doing something specific, i'd add, subtract or shuffle pedals as needed. for jazz, for instance, i might go just tuner>reverberator>ep booster, or swap out the reverberator for a flint if i needed tremolo.
i also have a more complicated pedal train jr board that i guess i could get into later, but it's much more rock, for want of a better term.
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Originally Posted by Skip Ellis
Sorry Skip, you mean to say, you haven't or you don't listen to artificial stuff like Herbie Hancock or Chick Correa's electric piano heavy laden with effects, even appreciate players like John Scofield, Mike Stern, or Wayne Krantz? Or even miles davis' bitches brew album? So you we're saying their music is artificial to you? If you do, I kinda find it a bit condescending and sniffishly demeaning to musicians and jazz enthusiasts that loves to explore the deep crevices of possibilities jazz offers. Don't mind me, that's just my 5 cents.
“Knowledge is freedom and ignorance is slavery”
“It's not about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change.”
“If you understood everything I said, you’d be me”
--Miles DavisLast edited by WeepingPanda; 10-16-2014 at 12:11 AM.
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WeepingPanda - you are correct. I choose not listen to it because it is not pleasant to my ears/brain. Those artists I mentioned DO sound pleasant to me and that is what I choose to listen to. There was no intent to look down or cast aspersions on anyone - you or me or anyone else likes what they like. You like Miles Davis, fine - I do not. You like John Scofield - I do not. Many like Jimi Hendrix - I do not. I choose to listen to and play that which I enjoy and I hope you do the same. I seem to sense that you feel that a person is lacking in intelligence if they don't like the outside, 'on edge' type players. You have to understand that some people just don't like that - it is foreign to their sensibilities. I love big band jazz and dislike bop - it seems disjointed and unorganized to me - same with Miles - I just never 'got' what he was trying to say. I like pretty melodies that you can hum walking down the street - playing George Arlen or Jimmy Van Heusen tunes as they wrote them, with an added chorus of tasteful improvisation is a source of pleasure for me. Maybe this is considered 'square', uncool or uneducated to you but so be it - I'll continue to like what I like and you do the same and everyone will be happy.
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Richb - not sure I understand your comment. I'm all for everyone playing/liking what they want - just don't look down on me because we don't like the same things. This thread was discussing pedalboards and effects and I put in my $.02 and went on to explain why I do things the way I do based on my likes and dislikes. I didn't rag on anyone who uses effects, I just commented on why I do not. You or anyone else is welcome to hook up all the sound modification devices you want and have a great time with it exploring endless sonic possibilities - just don't berate me 'cause I want to sound like Herb Ellis.
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Originally Posted by WeepingPanda
my bad, sorry! Here's a frontal view
Guitar--->dunlop 95q--->T1M mini buffer(underneath the board)--->Sound Blox PolyFilterMod--->Xotic SP Comp---> Loop Master Looper input. Now from the looper, I have an independent tuner out in which my polutune2 is connected and not in the signal chain and only goes in the chain when I step on the tuner button(acts also as a mute button). Now my Loop 1 is an A/B loop in which I can choose a clean tone (Mooer chorus ensemble) or overdriven tone (Wampler Dual-Fusion) in one switch, and also acts like a clutch for my dual-fusion. Now on loop 2 there's MiniMoog Ring Modulator(black)--->TC Electronic HOF mini--->TC Electronic Flashback delay. On the main out of the loop is another T1M mini buffer--->amp. Ow and by the way the looper also has a master bypass switch.
One reason I put my delay last instead of reverb is that I also use the 40 sec loop function of the flashback delay during a live session when it calls for it. I only use the HOF reverb for ambient drones that I also loop on flashback. I use my ring modulator for some wayne krantz kinda stuff. I use my polymodpro for some serious envelope filtering--I have 6 presets on the fly, from trumpet tone, to human vocal tone, to funky filters. I like dunlop 95q's tone as my wah, plus I dont have to stomp on it--there's no on/off switch. I usually use my SP comp for boosting solos--clean or distorted--but I kinda play around with the dual-fusion on boosting--either vintage or modern drive setting. Again everything depends on the session and what it calls for. If the gig is leaning towards traditional(swing,bop) I might just use the tuner, and the sp comp for boost, maybe the chorus for comping. But if the gig is more modern(rock, jazz, fusion)I'll probably be all over the place.
I hope that sums it off.
Wow, that is fancy! You should demo it for us :-) i did not understand the remark about the wah. It is the first thing in the chain, so it is always there, right? But how is it operating if it doesn't have an off/on? I guess you don't want to have a wah sound in your signal all the time, right?
Thanks for the explanations!
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Thanks Frank, the wah is yes, first thing in the chain but what I meant was the 95q has a sensor that when you step on it--it automatically turns on. When you step off it--it automatically turns off. So all you have to do is step on it and wah away. As soon as you take your foot off it would just disengage itself. Plus it has a Q control button on the side to how much wah you want it to wah. Some wah connoisseurs dislike this wah for its tone--to dull for them--but I kinda like the subtleties and nuance of its tone and function. Originally Posted by FrankLearns
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I listen to all kinds of jazz, with and without effects.
I own a few pedals--dating back to the early 70s. (1) Old Thomas Organ era Cry Baby wah wah; (2) old Electro Harmonix Small Stone phase shifter (who uses those anymore?); (3) old 10-band MXR graphic equalizer with built-in AC power (still pretty useful); (4) MXR Carbon Copy analog delay pedal; (5) Sholz Rockman ( :-) ); (6) TC Electronic DITTO looper pedal. Missing? There's no distortion pedal and no compressor--I have compression in my amp and I can overdrive the amp if I want. Years and years ago I used distortion pedals--never liked them.
Now...in practice I use none of the above. I practice with the Ditto and I fool around with Chet Atkins stuff at home using a little bit of slapback on the analog delay. At gigs: guitar, cable, amp.
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Richb - thanks for the clarification! Yep, I'm an old fart - going on 70 my next birthday and having my first cataract removed on November 13th. I had to put it off because I'm in rehearsals for a theater production of "Best Little Whorehouse In Texas' that runs from Oct 23 thru Nov 9. You can tell where my priorities lie! I'm lucky enough to still be in great health and can still load a Twin Reverb in my truck if I have to! I'm really not as closed minded as I sound sometimes, but I, in a way, lead a very miserable musical existence because I love and am lucky enough to be able to enjoy and play many different styles - I just have never been able to dedicate myself to one thing, I'm just as happy being in a country band playing Ernest Tubb tunes as I am doing pit work in the theater. I love bluegrass, but I also love big band swing, dixieland, classical, and, yes, jazz. I was attracted to guitar (started on violin) because I liked the sound of it, and still do - I don't want to be a 'fuzz' player, a 'wah' player or an 'envelope filter' player - to me that's what happens when you alter the sound so much that it sounds like a different instrument - you're no longer a guitar player but a " (insert effect name here)" player. Same happens with guitar synths - if you want to sound like a B3, learn to play the organ. Anyhow, we're getting off the topic here - these folks want to discuss pedals not listen to my dated philosophies. Fun discussion, though!
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I really enjoyed reading Skip's post. I think it is insightful to reflect on the path by which many amplified guitar sounds -- especially rock -- came to be. Many of the electric guitar *sounds* were unintentional consequences of applications/limitations in the amplifiers. Interesting stuff.....but I get off-topic. Originally Posted by Skip Ellis
I play mostly nylon-string finger-style guitar these days. Not many effects work well with that type of set-up. Reverb and chorus are about it thus far. I have tried to also incorporate a compressor a couple of times, but the "nail-click" effect on the nylon string is usually too much of a detriment for most compressors to work for me.
Reverb: Wampler
Chorus: Home-brew Electronics
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For jazz, I've always been a straight in player or with only a reverb pedal if my amp needs it. But I tried a mini pedalboard in a jazz context for the first time earlier this week. Just a wah, a low gain fender tweed overdrive/preamp, and reverb (Crybaby CM95 Clyde McCoy Wah -> Catalinbread Formula 5F6 -> Mad Professor Silver Spring).
My thought was to use the wah on this boogaloo type tune we play and then the 5F6 to get some very occasional gritty tweed like feel on a couple tunes. The reverb I needed on the amp I was playing (old Fender Bandmaster that doesn't have reverb). I did not like how the wah worked out. I love wah in general (use it alot in rock/funk situations). But I think it had something to do with using my archtop (Eastman AR403) and its big flatwound strings (TI 13s). I might have had better luck with my semi hollow Eastman T386 with roundwounds. Maybe I'll bring it to the next session, try the pedalboard again with it, and see. Not sure. For our gig this weekend I think I'll go back to just the reverb pedal with my AR403.
I have a somewhat fancy pedalboard I use for rock stuff. 8 pedals including the ones mentioned above. But that is completely in a different context with a different guitar (Eastman T386 or Les Paul).
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Man, some of the coolest boards I've seen are in this thread, definitely right up my alley.
I recently downsized to this board. I've been concentrating on my playing rather than getting lost in effects lately.
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Here's mine init's current state (why do pedal boards seem to grow always?)
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I usually got boutique pedals running, but this board is simple and sounds amazing.
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JPmike, that's so jonathan Kreisberg! nicely done, the EHX freeze makes the audience blow their minds is't it?
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Haha, actually it's a mix of Lage Lund, Gilad Hekselman board. Originally Posted by WeepingPanda
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my bad! but its great, nice small board.
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