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    Bought this one ...................Hercules GS405B Shock Safe Guitar Stand w/ Foldable Yoke
    ............recently, deemed to be 'nitro safe' and until last night I was well pleased. Then, I stood up from my desk rather too rapidly and tipped my very light laminated chair back onto the stand. Lousy photos, but they should show how the two supports enter ( or did! ) the main upright by means of a single welded join onto the 1cm stem.............

    Herculean disaster - guitar stand fail.-p1000418-jpgHerculean disaster - guitar stand fail.-p1000414-jpg The sheared stem in the first photo was just butt-jointed/welded to the upright. At best it was naieve. Imagine if someone had dropped a heavy bass guitar on there or even one of those 4kg ++ Tele thingys
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    Ouch! I think if there was a guitar on the Hercules it would have taken the brunt of the impact, saving the stand from serious damage. I really like this Hercules stand (GS414B Plus) with its auto grip system and instant height adjustment clutch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzshrink
    Ouch! I think if there was a guitar on the Hercules it would have taken the brunt of the impact, saving the stand from serious damage. I really like this Hercules stand (GS414B Plus) with its auto grip system and instant height adjustment clutch.
    That model looks fine and appears not to incorporate such a banal design 'oversight' as the one I had. Still makes me mad and not sure that I will be heading in their direction again any time soon.

    David

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    David,
    What about contacting Hercules for repair or replacement info?

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    I use the GS415B and never had an issue.
    I've never seen this model before.

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    Dang, I have a Strat on that exact stand at this very moment.
    Last edited by rolijen; 04-07-2023 at 07:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    I use the GS415B and never had an issue.
    I've never seen this model before.
    Looks fine - different concept altogether of course. Mine was everywhere six months ago - now can only find one example and that's on Reverb. Obviously a major 'fail'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolijen
    Dang, I have a Strat on that exact stand at this very moment. I though Atlas could hold the weight of the world?!
    Put it down very, very gently if I were you and be sure not to tip your lightweight plywood chair back onto it!!

    Bonne chance

    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzshrink
    David,
    What about contacting Hercules for repair or replacement info?
    Thanks for that. Have just done exactly that tho' am not optimistic. Will report back.

    Thanks again.

    David

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    One of my students asked me once what is the best guitar stand.My reply was a guitar case.I always put my guitar back in it's case even on gigs.Never had any damage to my guitars outside of the usual scratches or minor dents.I've read a couple of guitar threads where people say it's to much effort to take it out of the case and plug it in.Have we really become this lazy especially if one is playing at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc chaz
    One of my students asked me once what is the best guitar stand.My reply was a guitar case.I always put my guitar back in it's case even on gigs.Never had any damage to my guitars outside of the usual scratches or minor dents.I've read a couple of guitar threads where people say it's to much effort to take it out of the case and plug it in.Have we really become this lazy especially if one is playing at home.
    Am I obsessive about returning my guitar to its case after sound check and between sets?
    I am; after over 12K hours of stage play over the last 35 years, it still looks like brand new.
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    Guitar stands, a recipe for disaster. Never use them, ever. Kinda like guys that lean their guitar against the amp in between sets. Seen a few of those fall over as well.

    I was once called unprofessional for using my case on stage to hold my guitar rather than a stand. A broken headstock is even more unprofessional looking so I didn't take it personal.

    I'm a case guy too except I would add that I always close a couple latches as picking up an unlatched case can do some bad things.

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    Everyone should have one of these. It's not impossible, but you have to work really really hard to tip it over. I can't believe I waited so long to get a good stand.

    D&A Guitar Gear Starfish Passive Guitar Stand | Guitar Center

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgBone
    Guitar stands, a recipe for disaster. Never use them, ever. Kinda like guys that lean their guitar against the amp in between sets. Seen a few of those fall over as well.

    I was once called unprofessional for using my case on stage to hold my guitar rather than a stand. A broken headstock is even more unprofessional looking so I didn't take it personal.

    I'm a case guy too except I would add that I always close a couple latches as picking up an unlatched case can do some bad things.
    There used to be a well known blues guitarist named Mel Brown, who lived and performed in our local area. Mel had some nice vintage guitars, including a 1960’s sharp cut Super 400. One time he put the Super 400 in its case without doing the latches up. Someone picked up the case and the Super fell face first on to the floor, putting a big crack in the top. I saw it in the repair shop getting glued back together.
    Keith

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagelove
    Everyone should have one of these. It's not impossible, but you have to work really really hard to tip it over. I can't believe I waited so long to get a good stand.

    D&A Guitar Gear Starfish Passive Guitar Stand | Guitar Center
    I like the name, with the 5 legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagelove
    Everyone should have one of these. It's not impossible, but you have to work really really hard to tip it over. I can't believe I waited so long to get a good stand.

    D&A Guitar Gear Starfish Passive Guitar Stand | Guitar Center
    Drunks can knock anything over that isn't bolted down. I'll stick with the case method. It's cheaper too. And less stuff to carry!

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    Cases for everything, except for plank guitars. Those get Wave 20 stands from König & Meyer, which can be adjusted, fold flat, and fit in my go bag:
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    I have an Hercules mini but rarely use it, particularly on a tight stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgBone
    Drunks can knock anything over that isn't bolted down. I'll stick with the case method. It's cheaper too. And less stuff to carry!
    They can also step on your guitar case...

    The point is there are many situations you may want a stand for. This one is very hard to tip over. A bump ain't gonna do it. They would pretty much have to fall into your guitar stand.


    check out 23 seconds. Look how for that tilts and doesn't tip. It's no exaggeration or lucky take. You would have to tip it even further for it to go.

    FWIW, I have the "passive" model which doesn't grip the neck.



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    We're all so very different in our ways .... I suspect a simple glitch in the automated welding station that this stand went through and after the finish was applied the QC didn't see anything out of the ordinary. Shit happens - however, if this welding joint would have been somewhere in my car I surely would be VERY upset. I'm also quite confident that they will replace it for you.

    I use different stands all the time, for like 50 years and my first one is still in use, never let me down. I only replaced the original rubber protectors with some leather string, also at least 30 years ago. Works just fine, no finish issues ever. My Hercules stand stands in a corner, out of harm's way. Most of my guitars are on wall hangers, never had a failure there either. I do make sure that these fixed real good though ....
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    I've only ever used a stand one one gig, a Hercules on one of my weeklies and that's because it's so out of the way someone would have to launch themselves over my amp behind me to get to it and it sits in a corner. Other than that only at home where there's even less risk. It also sits in the corner of a room.
    Any other gig the guitar goes in the case between sets.

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    Those stands are meant for putting guitars on them, not for throwing chairs at them. Sorry. Looks to me as if the stand was not welded very good at the breakage point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagelove
    They can also step on your guitar case...
    A guitar case laid on it's side instead of on it's back is hard to step on.

    I hate to break it to the forum but Hercules have been known for their stand failures for quite some time. It's Chinese junk, so if you want to put your 10k jazz archtop on a piece of shit MIC stand go for it. Just don't pretend you're intelligent and don't seek sympathy when you're scheduling a headstock repair with your favorite luthier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgBone
    A guitar case laid on it's side instead of on it's back is hard to step on.

    I hate to break it to the forum but Hercules have been known for their stand failures for quite some time. It's Chinese junk, so if you want to put your 10k jazz archtop on a piece of shit MIC stand go for it. Just don't pretend you're intelligent and don't seek sympathy when you're scheduling a headstock repair with your favorite luthier.
    And don’t pretend you’re intelligent when your archtop binding starts off gassing in the case and destroys the hardware and finish. Or maybe we could all stop making assumptions about one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by customxke
    And don’t pretend you’re intelligent when your archtop binding starts off gassing in the case and destroys the hardware and finish. Or maybe we could all stop making assumptions about one another.
    You sound annoyed. If you were concerned about off gassing, you would buy a different case for it. If you knew it would affect the finish, and you cared about the finish, an intelligent person would do that. If you don't give a shit then neither does anyone else.