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Wasn't reacting to the selling price, was reacting (late) to seeing a PSA about it earlier this week at 6.5. But this is a valid point. Also I hope the buyer either loves it or bought it at a price that's easy to recoup if they don't.
Originally Posted by wintermoon
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11-17-2022 01:26 PM
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Wasn't really referring to your comment Juan but I see this all the time. Unless it's a buy it now w no best offer option it's Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
impossible to know the final price.
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I've been speaking to the seller quite a bit for the last week+. A very nice young, humble woman who is a Senior move manager. She helps seniors relocate, downsize, conduct estate sales, etc. Whatever their clients needs are. The owner of the guitar passed away tragically and she was working with her son and had some guidelines regarding the listing/price, etc. In the end the guitar sold for 6K. I'm happy that she did the best she could for her client and didn't bow to the, IMO, ridiculous valuation of $2,500 that she was directed to.
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I think it's wonderful that you put the effort into communicating with her, and I'm glad the story has a happy ending for the owner's family. But the simple truth is that none of us has played or even seen the guitar in question. So it's impossible to estimate its market value because we don't know how professional the mods are, how well they were done, and how it plays and sounds. And we don't know if there are any untoward sequelae like random buzzes, resonances, etc. Originally Posted by DMgolf66
Many such modifications are done poorly, and problems abound. Splintered or cracked wood can cause all sorts of trouble. That pickup could be loose, and it could have been damaged by a crude installer. Poor wiring, shielding, grounding etc can make even the noisiest single coil worse. Even the manner in which the guitar was immobilized and secured (or not) for this extensive invasion of its privacy could have caused major problems if not done right and carefully. This one could be a quirky jewel, but it could also be a pig in a poke. I think those who proposed a probable value of $2500 were referring to the safe and reasonable price one would pay without the ability to see, inspect, and play the instrument. And I agree with this. It's not coming from a dealer, so it's truly "as is" - and we have no idea how it is.
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The way I recall this being proposed was that this was an assessment of "market" value and not the opinion of value placed on it by the poster himself. If there were 3 of the exact same guitars in exact same condition posted for $4,500 each, they would be gone by the time you could say "Montgomery". I understand that some on this board are very, very careful and cautious about a deal such as this, but that clearly isn't the way everyone looks at it. There were some posts in this thread by folks who would take the risk in a heartbeat. Again, if I misunderstood that the $2,500 valuation were individual's value placed on the guitar as opposed to "market" value, I apologize.
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To pile on: Vinny bought an unplayed Super 400CES ASB for $9500. Tomvwash bought an unplayed 2001 LeGrand Natural for $7895. tbeltrans bought a quilted maple Citation Sunburst mint condition for $16000.
Notwithstanding that someone paid $6000 for it (maybe for extraneous factors such as young humble comely et alia), I fail to see how this 2001 hacked job could be worth $6000 especially when measured against the similarly aged 2001 LeGrand in the premium Natural finish for $7895.
Someone may have paid $6000 for it but that doesn't mean it is worth $6000. I bet it is going to be returned.
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Haha, who said she was even comely?
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I don't think that I or anyone else hear tried to make an argument that it was worth 6k, to me that was irrelevant, I just had a very strong feeling that it would go and go quickly at that price which it did.
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I paid my dues. Pretty painful. Don't want to do it again.
Greater fool theory - Wikipedia
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I can dig it. Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
Time for me to hit the Atlantic surf and look for Striped Bass.
Cheers
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Hack job ot not, I can almost guarantee if that guitar came up for sale w/ the extra holes and NO hardware it would've brought $2500.
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Reverb's recent price history: Gibson Custom Shop L-5 Wes Montgomery | Reverb
Date Condition Sold Price
11/15/2022 Very Good $5,400
11/3/2022 Mint $8,750
10/12/2022 Excellent $10,655.88
9/30/2022 Excellent $7,500
8/13/2022 Excellent $8,426.84
6/12/2022 Very Good $8,000
5/10/2022 Excellent $7,800
3/22/2022 Excellent $9,999.99
3/18/2022 Excellent $8,249.99
2/13/2022 Excellent $7,799
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There’s some good humbucker sized P90s out there. That would have been my approach even if not quite the CC sound.
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I still say keep the CC and get a ring that covers the hole. Good to go. Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
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…assuming it’s otherwise fine. If it plays well, sounds fine, and has no issues from its assault with deadly weapons, I agree that it’s a fine buy for a player. Originally Posted by Woody Sound
This is a classic “game theory” problem. It requires decision making on the basis of imperfect and incomplete information. The less you know, the more you trust your luck and the words of others (who know about as much as you do, in this case). Every bit of information you can get increases the likelihood that you’ll make a good decision. Exit strategies are also valuable, eg can you return it if you don’t like it (and at what cost)? If it’s not returnable, how hard will it be to resell (and at what cost)? Finally, each of us has to factor everything we know and everything we don’t know into deciding how much we’re willing to pay for the object of interest.
Hope is not a strategy and luck is not a plan.
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u wot m8? I have no dog in this fight. I didn't make it clear that the most recent sold for $5400—I was thinking maybe that was the guitar in question, which someone above said had sold for $6,000. The date—just a few days ago—seems about right. Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
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Well the finish *is* pretty striking.
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Geez people, it s freaking guitar. And, as far as we know not owned by anyone here. And I’d wager whoever bought it will be happier than any of you all bitching about it.
These perfection arguments, happily, are keeping me away more and more. A bunch of sophomoric, tedious and self aggrandizing BS.
Thanks a lot.
And from the book of Meredith Wilson:
Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little
Cheep cheep cheep, talk a lot, pick a little more
Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little
Cheep cheep cheep, talk a lot, pick a little more
Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep
Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little
Pick a little, talk a little, cheep!
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Ha! Good one, too true, but this is the nerdlinger gearhead part of the forum, so...
Back to post #3 - I still like it, I still want it, and I still think it's great, and I'd still paint a dummy pickup ring in black.Last edited by Hammertone; 09-04-2024 at 01:26 AM.
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Fuck this guy. Hope you can sleep better now. Originally Posted by jazzkritter
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What is that building? Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
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Uncompleted FIFA World Cup stadium in Qatar, according to Google.
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That's not a building - it's a jumbo jazz pick! Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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