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I love the tone Jonathan Cordy gets when he uses his 165. Out of curiosity , what do you think is nicer than an es175 or es165 for jazz?
would you consider Collings east side jazz lc, for example ?
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10-06-2022 07:13 AM
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You realize of course that there are LOTs of 175's out there. I've tried tons of 'meh' grade ES175s and I tried one owned by the late Bern Nix, for instance (pictured above). His was broken in from decades of serious and constant playing. There's a lot a good player can get out of a guitar like that, but often stock instruments may be iconic but as an instrument of music, they're blank canvases, waiting for a player to make great art.
I think the better a player I've become, the harder it is to answer your question because "better than an ES-175" is just about anything that becomes invisible in my hands. And that bar changes the more I can do.
Sounds like you're looking for a sound you've fallen in love with. Bravo! Don't mistake that sound with the instrument though. Find a comfortable place to begin, buy something that you'll play constantly and make that your 'magic 175', until you outgrow it. Then tell us yourself what is better than an ES-175!
Just sayin'
Have fun, good luck!
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Nothing sounds like a 175 it's got it's own signature thing going. The collings Eastside LC is a worthy opponent. It's more articulate and responsive than a 175 with better ring on the upper notes, and workmanship that is second to none. A more modern sound I would say. For an old world sound a bit closer to Gibson, the Borys B-120 is a guitar that I might consider "better" than a 175. YMMV
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There's a LOT nicer.
Not necessarily better.
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Deep
Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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......An L-4.
Of course, ' that's just my - ' etc etc etc : )
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For example, I like my Tele with chambers ... :-)
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I don’t know that anything is really better than a 175. Different, or better value, sure. But the 175 is the standard for that style of guitar. That said some subtly different and arguably nicer guitars might be Borys N120, D’Acquisto (not sure of the model name, but ones like Jim Hall's), Bennedetto Bravo. Some of the high end Japanese makers (e.g. Seventy Seven, Archtop Tribute) are very nice. There are also other Gibson laminate tops to consider (ES-350, Tal Farlow, Barney Kessell).
Last edited by John A.; 10-06-2022 at 01:01 PM.
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This chatter reminds me of teenage girls discussing who's the cutest guy.
There is nothing wrong with a ES-175. Listen to Joe Diorio. If you think there is a truly superior jazz tone, I'd love to hear it.
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I think he is playing an L4. Originally Posted by Marty Grass
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And I apologize for being so "zen" about it, as that can come off as pretentious and "know-it-ally," but I can't tell you how many people I've seen over the years try chasing the tone of a 175 with anything BUT a 175. Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
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I love my ES175, but I think this is nicer:
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Most of the typical answers are going to be solid top instruments, which are a whole different animal, that you may or may not prefer the sound of. The 175 is at least among the top of the pack in it’s own field (laminates).
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Two ES-175's
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Threadwin. Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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When I was shopping for a hollowbody guitar in the mid-80s, I narrowed down my choices between a 1960s Gibson ES-175 and a 1978 Guild X-175, and I found that I preferred the sound of the Guild.
Of note, Ted Greene was also a fan of the Guild X-175. It still sounds good today.
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There are so many great players that are way better than I'll ever be that have played 175s - Jim Hall, Joe Pass, Wes Montgomery, George Benson to name just a few. I could get the best guitar in the world but in the end it would still be me playing it. Maybe that's not the point, but true nonetheless.
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...an other es-175?
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whoa Originally Posted by Marty Grass
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Certainly a beautiful archtop, but those Standel amplifiers behind it caught my eye. Originally Posted by customxke
I love my ES175, but I think this is nicer:
Tony
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That's a fair point. He's switched back and forth between those models over the years. Originally Posted by Tal_175
Here's a 175. It's still Joe.
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L5 CES is better. I've owned two 175s and they are good, but the L5 is richer sounding. Wes and Kenny Burrell upgraded from 175s.
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I prefer my Heritage 2012 H575 Custom, made in the same factory , by the same old masters but a carved flame top and back , and a set of 57 Duncans.
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I have a Fender D'Aquisto Elite that gives my ES-175 a run for its money. It's more resonant, and the spruce top sweetens things up a bit.
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Originally Posted by Lppier
Speaking only for myself, I am more than content with my 2004 50th Anniversary ES-175, for a number of reasons. 1) It's paid for. Granted, it took a while, but it's mine. 2) It has great sentimental value - my wife made me buy it, so it's a love thing. 3) It gives me the tones and playability I expect from a pro-grade instrument, and then some. 4) It has never failed to deliver on the bandstand, in the studio, or in my practice space.
On the other hand, my good friend and partner in crime has a 165 Herb Ellis, and it sounds fantastic!
You pays your money, and you makes your choice.
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