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Wow. How come I see all these 175 for sale ads that say "comes with the OHSC," but I never see one that says "comes with Joe DiOrio's brain and chops"? I'd definitely pay a premium for that. Might even be willing to live without the OHSC.
Originally Posted by Marty Grass
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10-06-2022 12:59 PM
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Of course it depends who is playing it.
Jim Hall's work with Paul Desmond in the 60's was on a 175 (not stock pu's iirc, or maybe it was P90s) and sounded great.
But, on average, I don't think the HB 175 is all that great sounding a guitar. I like Joe Pass, for example, but I don't covet his tone the way I feel about Wes'.
Best sounding archtops I've heard include the Fender D'Aquisto, Guild Artist Award and the Gibson L5.
And, I've heard great sounds from solid bodies, e.g. Ted Greene playing a Tele. Or Lorne Lofsky playing a solid (can't recall which), and a lot of the smooth jazz guys playing what sound like Strats.
Great jazz has been played on every kind of guitar.
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What are Duncan 57s? Are they Seth Lovers or 59s? Both do the job nicely. Originally Posted by Greywolf
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Here's a recent interview with Robin Trower. He uses heavy strings and a high action. Ouch!!
Robin Trower: “The secret to the warm tone I get, whilst still retaining the clarity, is due to a combination of heavy strings and a high action” | Guitar World
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I have a couple of L5's and three 175's. The L5's are "nicer" in the sense that they are fancier. I can't honestly say that they sound or play better (or worse) than any of my 175's. Same with my Guild Benedetto - "nicer" but not better.
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Well for me my Benedetto Bambino Std is a better fit and a bit more versatile as well. It can play really loud with overdrive without low end feedback issues. Not that I use it for that much, but nice to have.
I also think the dimensions are more comfortable as a player. But there sure are a lot of great records with the iconic 175 for sure!
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In my book, the guitar that puts a bigger smile on my face, is the better one. The one with the fancier appointments is the nicer one. I did own a 1978 ES175 not that long ago. Great guitar, but had a neck that did got sticky after 20 mins of playing. It sounded awesome, but that sticky neck made me sell it. I love my L5s, but 175s are great instruments as well .
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1951 Gibson ES-175, just a damn fine guitar, no need to compare it to anything else IMO.
I am happy to take care of it.
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I've had a few guitars with sticky necks. A good cleaning with naphtha did the trick.
One of the guitars was a Gibson Custom Shop product. I talked to a supervisor there. He said he never heard of a sticky neck. That's when I knew he was either inexperienced or lying.
There are quite a few sites that discuss this problem. Here's one.
Guitar Shop 101: Curing Sticky-Neck Syndrome - Premier Guitar
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I've owned three 175s. A 1980 with CC pickup, a '56 with one P-90, and an original '59 with 2 PAFs.
They do what they do, probably better than anything else. Just not for me.
There are guitars that get close to a 175 tone while being more comfortable and tonally versatile.
Anyway, I'm sure the people that bought my 175s are happy!
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With a plugged in sound, I would think most archtops should be able to sound decent. But I would expect a 175 to sound like a 175, and maybe other archtops could sound "close, but no cigar". Where I would think a carved top guitar would shine is as an acoustic, but plugged in, it would be that sound that the pickup, amp, speaker, and EQ provide. Note that I could well be wrong about this.
Tony
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Getting a non es175 guitar to sound like a es175 brings up a valid comparison. Beer brewed in a particular region has a particular characteristics and flavor. So beer brewed in Munich Germany with the local water, hops, and yeast will always taste different than the same beer brewed in Chicago with the same recipe.
If you have to get the 175 sound to the exact you just buy a 175.
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I have a thinline tele already, love it, can I can love another … Originally Posted by kris
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whats that? Pretty! Originally Posted by customxke
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The ES-175 I had wasn’t even as nice as my Epi ZR.
They vary like everything else.
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Originally Posted by Marty Grass
When I bought my L4CES the neck became sticky after about an hour of playing. 5 coats of the Gibson spray on polish it stopped.
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"This chatter reminds me of teenage girls discussing who's the cutest guy."
Joe is not that cute...... Jim Hall is dreamy though, lolol
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Guilty as charged. In a similar vein (understand, I live in the sticks without many opportunities to try many different archtops) I rationalized that a Sadowsky Jim Hall, given it's lineage and reportedly high quality construction would give me a better guitar, capable of a more accurate feel, but still have the classic 175 tone. Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Nope.
Great guitar, a bit stiff and always a little bit of a struggle to play, narrower tonal range, very well built and stable. But, I still wound up getting a 175 VOS re-issue, which is a very different guitar and has most of what I consider the classic range of 175 tones available. Plus, it plays so easily.
So, I have both, and a WesMo, which is definitely NOT a 175, nor should one try to make it into one. In my very limited experience, it's easier to sound like you are playing a 175, when you are actually playing a 175.
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ES-176 is one better than an ES-175
-Nigel Tufnel
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Mine’s not very loud, I need one that goes up to 11.
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Tried a 175 today , tone was nice but I couldn’t get over the fact that it was really old and tarnished.
question - is it “safe” to order a heritage h575 or eagle classic new?
what are the chances I’ll get a dud?
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FWIW I have been collecting and selling vintage ES-175's for awhile, but the 1967 Epiphone Howard Roberts I recently acquired knocked my socks off.
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That's the recommended setting if you don't want feedback. Originally Posted by grahambop
Mine’s not very loud, I need one that goes up to 11.
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ES-175's are laminate bodied archtops and Heritage H-575's and Eagles are carved top/back/sides. Originally Posted by Lppier
Only the body shapes of 175's and 575's are similar to one another.
In my view 575's sound great both acoustically and plugged in, whereas 175's sound muted or dull acoustically, but really come into their own when amplified. Plus the 175 is more feedback resistant at higher volumes. 575's can be played loud, but will howl if standing too close to an amp.
As to your question about Heritage being "safe" to order new, they come with a warranty to the original owner. The quality of Heritage guitars has improved over the years, especially so under the new owners/management.
H-575 - Hollow Body Electric Guitar | Heritage Guitars
Eagle Classic - Hollow Body Guitar | Heritage Guitars
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As a maple topped 575 owner, I have to respectfully disagree with some of your findings. Originally Posted by Gitfiddler
I think most older 175's actually have more acoustic presence than my 575. This is not necessarily the case with more recent 175's which seem to be built quite a bit heavier. My 575 has a quiet, pleasant acoustic voice, but it's definitely no acoustic guitar.
The top on my 575 is quite thick, and I've had zero feedback problems with it.
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