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A little bit in the cutaway maybe but John changed the shape early on.
Originally Posted by Cunamara
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07-07-2022 05:30 PM
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When I bought my guitar from Augie in 2000 in Clearwater, Fl., we spent a couple of hours talking after the deal. He also was an excellent pool player and we knew some of the same people from my days as a shooter in Chicago. Sadly, I flew in from out of town to buy the instrument and we never spent any time at the table.
Marinero
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Not at all! I grew up in Connecticut in a town that was mostly Italian immigrants. My first guitar teacher was an Italian jazz guitarist. That is where I developed love and respect for the archtop. He was a fantastic guitarist who regularly played gigs in NYC. Music is part of the Italian psyche and the tools we craft to play it just support that addiction. I have a Buscarino archtop coming next year. Would love a Monteleone also but their prices are just out of sight. Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
Cincy
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Beautiful guitar indeed!
Re: those Italians ... are there any known archtop builders *in* Italy?
(And you guys just dislike Fiat because they bought the Chrysler Group before merging themselves with the French PSA
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Congrats!
I saw that guitar listed by Guitar Traders, an online shop.
There is another very similar new Marchione available at Miki guitar shop in Umeda for about $40k.
j-guitar.com
I regularly see handmade carved archtops by excellent Japanese luthiers going for $5-8k, btw for anyone that can visit Japan once borders open.
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Solid! Was this one from a private seller or on the wall at a guitar shop? It looks familiar. I did a few tours of Japan playing the little 'kissa' clubs duo with fellow guitarist Hiro Yamanaka, and I would do clinics at the various Marchione dealer guitar shops. Best wishes for your music on this wonderful instrument!
PK
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Originally Posted by kurisu
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Thanks - but apparently they're busy redesigning themselves ... Originally Posted by Cincy2
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[Moffa is from Sicily, and moved a handful of years ago. My wife, a Siciliana, always says, "Italian and Sicilian are not the same!"]
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I refrained myself earlier, but I have a strong impression that Americans of Italian descent are mostly that, and not so much Italian. Maybe because of how American coffee used to be Originally Posted by marcwhy
(Enrico Gatti wrote liner notes for one of his recordings that are quite funny in this context - IIRC to his Veracini CD.)
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My parents were both Sicilian, and your wife is correct, there are some differences betwixt Sicilians and Italians. My parents spoke an entirely different dialect than the Italian language. When they visited Italy, they had problems being understood by some Italians. Originally Posted by marcwhy
[Moffa is from Sicily, and moved a handful of years ago. My wife, a Siciliana, always says, "Italian and Sicilian are not the same!"]
Because Sicily was conquered by a bunch of different countries, Sicilians have a number of different races in their blood.
The Swedes, the Arabs, and who knows who else conquered Sicily at one time.. IOW, we're a bunch of mutts, as one fellow employee once remarked to me. Jimmy D'Aquisto's family emigrated from Palermo. My father knew both John D'A and Jimmy D'A having been born in Little Italy.
My sister had our blood traced and the family was divided between the Swedish and Arabic background. Then she did it again and got different results.
I had a GF who made a big deal how she was Roman and not Sicilian. She was pretty much nuts.
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Hi, S, Originally Posted by sgcim
My parents were both Sicilian, and your wife is correct, there are some differences betwixt Sicilians and Italians. My parents spoke an entirely different dialect than the Italian language. When they visited Italy, they had problems being understood by some Italians.
Because Sicily was conquered by a bunch of different countries, Sicilians have a number of different races in their blood.
The Swedes, the Arabs, and who knows who else conquered Sicily at one time.. IOW, we're a bunch of mutts, as one fellow employee once remarked to me. Jimmy D'Aquisto's family emigrated from Palermo. My father knew both John D'A and Jimmy D'A having been born in Little Italy.
My sister had our blood traced and the family was divided between the Swedish and Arabic background. Then she did it again and got different results.
I had a GF who made a big deal how she was Roman and not Sicilian. She was pretty much nuts.
The Vikings conquered Sicily twice between the 9 and 11th Centuries. Many Sicilians claim direct Viking ancestry. There is no racial purity as the Germans claimed in WWII since the Romans and their minions pushed as far as Hadrian's Wall during their hegemony in Europe with conglomerate armies made up of soldiers from every conquered tribe in Europe. Imagine the seeds spread by a horny army on the move.
Marinero
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Funny! Yep, that's what my wife speaks! When we visited Tuscany, the locals we spoke with laughed and laughed at her, and said she sounded like "an old lady," and mostly couldn't understand her! Originally Posted by sgcim
My parents were both Sicilian, and your wife is correct, there are some differences betwixt Sicilians and Italians. My parents spoke an entirely different dialect than the Italian language. When they visited Italy, they had problems being understood by some Italians.
Because Sicily was conquered by a bunch of different countries, Sicilians have a number of different races in their blood.
The Swedes, the Arabs, and who knows who else conquered Sicily at one time.. IOW, we're a bunch of mutts, as one fellow employee once remarked to me. Jimmy D'Aquisto's family emigrated from Palermo. My father knew both John D'A and Jimmy D'A having been born in Little Italy.
My sister had our blood traced and the family was divided between the Swedish and Arabic background. Then she did it again and got different results.
I had a GF who made a big deal how she was Roman and not Sicilian. She was pretty much nuts.
I believe the language nearly died, but there's been a revival of it recently (so her relatives there tell her). [They're from "Alta Villa Milicia," a bit outside Palermo. Tiny little town!]
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Tell your wife my father's side was from Sciacca, and my mother's family was from Lercara Friddi, which was also just outside Palermo. Originally Posted by marcwhy
Funny! Yep, that's what my wife speaks! When we visited Tuscany, the locals we spoke with laughed and laughed at her, and said she sounded like "an old lady," and mostly couldn't understand her! I believe the language nearly died, but there's been a revival of it recently (so her relatives there tell her). [They're from "Alta Villa Milicia," a bit outside Palermo. Tiny little town!]
My sister insists that we're related to Anthony Fauci, because he was from Sciacca and he shared a name with our great grandparents.
The world-traveling jazz clarinetist Tony Scott was from Sciacca and used the name A.J Sciacca on a Dick Garcia album.
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No, since there is no such thing as race, with(out) apologies to those Germans of old, Americans and probably a few other cultures. Breeds or cultivars at most. Originally Posted by Marinero
Now back to the regular off-topic programme
Anyone see Il Postino? Not set on Sicily but on Procida, and the way the locals speak makes it clear even for non-native speakers why North-Italians would chuckle about the way Southeners speak. Originally Posted by marcwhy
Funny! Yep, that's what my wife speaks! When we visited Tuscany, the locals we spoke with laughed and laughed at her, and said she sounded like "an old lady," and mostly couldn't understand her!
Funny how this is a constant in so many countries, that people from the south speak in a way that people from the north hear as childish, cutely retarded or old-fashioned. AFAIK you get this in the Netherlands, Germany, France, Italy and probably the US too. Belgium should be on the list but the underlying reason is not a difference in dialect/accent
(I've never met anyone from Sicily AFAICR, but I have known my share of Sardes. Pretty "exclusive" bunch, too.)
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National identities are partly imagination, partly the result of conscientious propaganda. Although some notion of "Italians" existed earlier, the 1861 unification started the creation of the nation as we know it. A Northern example: Finland was part of Sweden until 1809, but much of the population had a tribal rather than national sense of belonging. Swedish was spoken by nobility, clergy and, administration, as well as coastal peasants and fishermen. As an autonomous Grand Duchy under Russia in 1809-1917, a national identity began to take shape and periods of Russian repression just strengthened it. Swedish constitution was observed until 1840s, and Russian never replaced Swedish as the language of administration. Today, the Swedish-speaking minority is just 5-6% of the population, but the country remains bilingual by constitution. Although ties to Sweden have always been close - the two countries now walk into NATO hand in hand - the Swedish spoken in Finland sounds arcane and comical - some dialects incomprehensible - to contemporary Swedes. Overall, Europe is a nightmare of languages, dialects, minorities and religious cleavages. Just look at the small print on a chocolate bar. Old skirmishes are easy to rekindle by populists in this era of spreading mad leader disease.
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But also real where they coincide with natural boundaries, or rather, regional and/or cultural identities *). I still get confronted with the tiny but sometimes crucial differences of being Dutch after living in France for 25 years (this fall). And to stick with your example: all the Swedes I have known (confronted with) were pretty close to the stereotypical image of the tall, light-blonde Scandinavian. The Fins ... not at all (they typically don't look the part either but I don't believe that can have much fundamental impact). Originally Posted by Gitterbug
*) Would you classify education under conscientious propaganda? I see very clear differences in the way kids are educated at school and even uni between the Netherlands and France, and also how that probably leads to differences in how characters are shaped. That's pretty darn close to a national identity!
As far as I'm concerned this is not just a European thing. The New World is old enough to have crystalised into something comparable, minus the language aspect. I'm pretty certain US states would have become the equivalent of EU countries without the feeling of national identity (hah!) stemming from having a federal constitution.Overall, Europe is a nightmare of languages, dialects, minorities and religious cleavages.
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RJVB:
Good observation about the states in the US could have become more akin to European entities.
Prior to and during the US/CSA Civil War, the US was a collection of quite individual states. State residents were loyal first to their home state. The federal government was very small with little influence over the states.
A great example is General Robert E Lee, who was a highly decorated and thought of member of the Federal (or North) army. Offered the overall command of that Army, he declined as a ‘Loyal son of Virginia’, and joined the Confederacy. (Of course in our new World Of Woke we are not supposed to talk about him, but ignore history at your risk.)
Most volunteer regiments in the war, on both sides, identified with their home state. The 5th New Jersey Artillery, or the Texas 4th Cavalry. (Interesting in the South they sometimes were known by the name of the forming person: Teel’s Texas Troops)
It was the strong federal government under Lincoln, the establishment of national income taxes, the replacement of state militias with a single federal army, and the pressures of the reconstruction of the South that halted rather quickly the state’s individuality.
To this day we do identify with our home state, but with all the moving about that dilutes quickly. (Unless you are from NJ in which case you identify with your Turnpike Exit. Exit 9 here.)
NOW: interesting fact for you on the other side of the puddle. When President Truman toured war torn Germany in ‘46, he was moved to tears as the destruction reminded him of the stories his Grandmother told him of the destruction after the Civil War. It was this emotion that drove him to his rebuilding plans and funding for Europe.
Of course there were few government contractors then, so the money actually went to good use.
Its long, I know.
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I am not familiar enough with US history so I refrained from adding something like "imagine the Civil War hadn't happened or hadn't been won".
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It is fashionable to deny the existence of race (the "Woke" claim that race is simply a social construct and then they also claim that everything is about racial discrimination. Cognitive dissonance at it's best), but anyone with eyes can see that there are three different human races and that there are a lot of peoples that are the result of some admixture of those three races. Language and religion do keep people separated to some extent and DNA testing shows the extent of that separation.
But DNA also shows that all humans come from a small group of common ancestors and while we are mostly descended from homo sapiens, those of us who are primarily Caucasoid or Mongoloid have some Neanderthal DNA mixed in. Tribalism can be about race, religion or language. Today in America it is even about politics (a bit of a religion IMO). It is part of the human condition. Anyone who thinks humanity will ever be one big happy family singing Kumbaya by the campfire needs to take a break from the consumption of cannabis. Conflict is hardwired into our DNA. The strong survive and the weak perish. Some laws of nature are simply immutable.
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I'm not going down this rabbithole but will just point out Originally Posted by Stringswinger
- Not just fashionable but obligatory if not constitutional in parts of the world. Without that, a legal framework against racism is nearly impossible.
- you're forgetting about the Habsburg, Levi (etc.) races. That's right, what some call race is nothing but a hugely extended family where certain traits (outward, or hidden ones that are of medical relevance) are preserved through what is essentially regional inbreeding. You'll find the same thing in cosmopolitan animals like the common sparrow, and yet no one talks about race there.
Probably but that has nothing to do with race ... and defying nature *is* part of human nature.Conflict is hardwired into our DNA. The strong survive and the weak perish. Some laws of nature are simply immutable.
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