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I don't know about this. I wasn't all that worried about getting in each others 'zone'.
For example, i really love if a bass and piano team up in a bassline. Sounds great.
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11-04-2020 03:09 PM
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Princeton's and Deluxes are fine amps if you mic them in a club. If you're set on a tube amp I'd buy a Vibrolux Reverb and be done w/it. 35-40 watts, not much bigger than a Deluxe but almost twice the power. That and 6L6 tubes instead of 6V6 will give you more headroom which will come in handy should you wind up playing a gig @ a venue w/ out a PA.
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If the bass lines are identical, it creates a great sound and texture. If they played different bass lines, it wouldn't be likely to sound good.
Originally Posted by Marcel_A
That's why Green and Page sounded so good with Basie. They were coordinated and Basie played sparsely.
Edit: When you play a chord with the root in the bass, do you find it sounds better if the root is an octave lower? I do. I like the separation between the bass and the rest of the harmony.Last edited by rpjazzguitar; 11-04-2020 at 07:37 PM.
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Your engineer will be happy with a small amp too. Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Depends whether or not you are improvising. But the double bass/piano unison in written bass lines and riffs is a bit of modern jazz cliche now, because it does sound great. Originally Posted by Marcel_A
But you wouldn't want piano and bass improvising around the same register because they would obviously be playing different things and you'd lose clarity. It's musical common sense really. You would separate out two different lines in terms fo register most times in arrangement. Maybe, a very contrapuntal approach might work.
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Sure it is, nobody is disagreeing with that. Originally Posted by christianm77
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A fifteen-year-old budding guitarist asks a simple question on a Belgian jazz guitar forum. Milo Canral has just entered... the Twilight Zone.
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So much good advice. And so much of it :-)
Try to play as many of these amps in person as possible. You can only go so far with online research. Ultimately the equation to be solved is goodSound = guitar + amp + you + room.
Take your current guitar to music stores, friends' homes, jam sessions, schools, anyplace you can test-drive an amp. That will eliminate two variables: you and the guitar will be mostly the same from day to day. The room and the amp will change. Even if you do find the perfect guitar + amp combo for you, it's going to sound different in the club vs your bedroom vs rehearsal studio, etc.
So plan to make a project of this, take your time with it, and ENJOY the process of learning how different amps respond to your guitar and your playing style. Guitar and amp shopping is FUN as long as you are not in too much of a hurry. And go ahead and ask to play the guitar and amp combination that you'll never afford in a million years. It will give you valuable perspective. Oh, and it's fun! Be respectful about asking to put your hands on that $20k worth of gear, make sure you take your belt buckle OFF first, and don't be disappointed if the answer is occasionally "no." For the most part, music store staff understand the passion to play and the curiosity to shop, and if you ask nicely, they'll often let you play that guitar you would otherwise never touch.
Once you do settle on any new piece of gear, plan to just struggle with it daily for about six months of "new gear hell" till you finally figure out how to dial it in. Then spend six more months figuring out how to do that as the room changes... your "great sound" in your bedroom will probably be mud onstage, and your great onstage sound may be bright, harsh and too loud in your bedroom. Honing this skill is one of the things that separates the working musician from the youtube wannabe.
HTH
SJ
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With a deluxe reverb you can cover anything a princeton more of a practice amp imo.
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Something I enjoy is playing STEREO!!! with a tube and a solid state but you can mix many combinations and come out happy! I put my first set of Thomastik Jazz Flatwounds from Amazon and I am WELL PLEASED!!! YEA 25$ But what did I put into the rest of it? A lot!!! May as well have the best strings! I know of!
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Originally Posted by waltf
Couldn't agree more regarding the Tone Master Deluxe (or Twin) Reverb. It'll be the last amp you'll ever need...for any kind of music except heavy metal. The Fender Tone Master series amps are truly amazing. That, from a die hard tube amp guy.
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Sigh.... I remember when I was 15 and fairly new to jazz guitar. I had a Casino and a 2nd hand Sears Silvertone amp. It had a tube. Maybe 3. Start with what you can get and go from there. It'll all work out fine. Originally Posted by Milo Canral
But that was over 50 years ago. Such a different world of jazz guitar today. It took me some years to learn that Wes played with his thumb and that Django only had 2 fingers!
Keep at it Milo. Hope you have a long and happy life in guitar!
BTW (& not that it matters): I ended up happy with Quilter after boat-anchor Fenders & Mesas forever.
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Yeah? Well I played through an original Marshall Plexi.
I’m not joking.
Owner was pissed off when he found I’d been gigging it haha
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Cool! What's a Plexi? :-)
My 2nd amp was probably the same vintage. I found a broken up brown faced Super in a garage sale. Built a cabinet for it and gigged that for about 6 years. Come to think of it.... that might've been the start of the cabinet-making that became my day-job some 25 years later.
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when i was about 15 (64 now)
my first amp was a blond ac15
with some kind of plexiglass copy guitar
lets raaak
it blew my mind !
still recovering really ....
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