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  3. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9
    The iconic Strat through Fender tone.

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    I just did a side-by-side of the Tone Master Twin Reverb and the 65 Twin model on the Fender SuperChamp X2 head. Then I realized that nobody at all cares one bit about hearing how those two compare. Why did I do it? Why do otters slide down river banks? Because... they're otters.

    I otter think more before I go making totally useless side-by-side clips...

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    Because you’ll end up with 100k subscribers and getting free stuff that you have to pretend to like
    I'd love the chance to confront that ethical crisis intensively and thoroughly. I might have to accept 10-20 pieces of gear before I realize my conscience can't endure it any longer...

    "...and lead us not into temptation...starting tomorrow..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9
    I love what he gets at around the 2:20 mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
    I love what he gets at around the 2:20 mark.
    Not sure how he changes the amp setting during this demo, but he does change his pickup selection from neck (:19) to middle pickup (2:20); and from neck (6:47 - 7:09) to bridge (after 7:09). Sounds to me like the amp settings might have been the same when he changed from neck to middle pickup; but different at the end when he goes from neck to bridge.

    Anyway, agree with you Jim. Sounds very sweet at 2:20 during the middle neck setting.

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    I've often thought that the Strat's best sounding and best driving tones come from the middle p/up alone.

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    Since the last posting here, there have been tons of new YouTube videos on the Tone Master series.

    For those who may still care... I found this one today that I think offers a fair and balanced comparison of the sound of a Tone Master DR and a 65' DR. No talk -- just guitar and amp sound.

    (BTW, I think Lawson-Stone still has the best demonstration of jazz tones from the Tone Master.)


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    Here is another good one:

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    Will there be one under a forum member's Christmas tree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
    Will there be one under a forum member's Christmas tree?
    I have to answer "affirmative" !
    When I ordered my TMDR in mid November the waiting time for delivery here in Europe was end January 2020 ! By tremendous good fortune, I received a text message over the weekend from UPS saying that it would be delivered on Christmas eve. It arrived today at around 10h30, and after all the necessary unpacking and inspection I carried it upstairs (only 23 pounds, yay!) to my music room. After reconfiguring my pedalboard connections and wireless setup (current amp has a loop, the TMDR doesn't) I was able to spend a couple of hours exploring its capabilities and I concur with Lawson's comments. I tried a range of instruments/pickups (1961 ES175D with PAF, Ibanez Artist 2169 Prestige with modern Super80 humbuckers, very bright 1978 Ibanez MC400NT with Super 88s and a Gretsch g5220 Electronmatic Jet with Broad'Tron Black Tops. All instruments came through nicely on both channels. Both clean and overdriven sounds came through very nicely, if a little "dry" (not sterile) at this stage - but I want to give the speakers a chance to break in before forming a firm opinion. After lunch I ran different pedals through the clean channel and was very happy with the results. The attenuator is a blessing for home playing, no doubt about that . Tomorrow I'll try the line out functions if I have the time.

    This early delivery gave me a genuine very Merry Chrtistmas, and I wish the same to all you other forum members.

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    It’s late. I’m playing the 175 into a Fender TM Twin. Through headphones. Silent for her, sonic glory for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TedBPhx
    It’s late. I’m playing the 175 into a Fender TM Twin. Through headphones. Silent for her, sonic glory for me.
    How are you doing the headphones? XLR to a mixer? I love my TMTR also. It's just amazing.

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    Lawson,

    I have to get down to the music store and try a TMTR after listening to yours. Shazaam!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    How are you doing the headphones? XLR to a mixer? I love my TMTR also. It's just amazing.
    XLR to a Focusrite Scarlett 4i4. I loop through the iPad, just in and out, no processing needed for this lovely tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TedBPhx
    XLR to a Focusrite Scarlett 4i4. I loop through the iPad, just in and out, no processing needed for this lovely tone.
    I do something similar. Here's a clip I made to demo 3 "cheap" archtops, all Epiphones, playing through the TMTR and the XLR line out. I had the power selector on the lowest setting to keep things quiet in the room, but the sound through the line out was still rich. I can't say enough good things about this amp!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentone
    Lawson,

    I have to get down to the music store and try a TMTR after listening to yours. Shazaam!
    No kidding. It's almost eerie it's so good. I haven't played a tube twin very often but the times I did it made a HUGE impression on me, one of those never-forget musical moments. When I pulled this out of the carton and fired it up with my L5ces, I about fainted. Same feeling. But you have the output power selector on the back, the XLR out with 3 profiles and a separate control for the line out level... but on the front, it's just Fender Twin knobs that work and feel like the old ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    I do something similar. Here's a clip I made to demo 3 "cheap" archtops, all Epiphones, playing through the TMTR and the XLR line out. I had the power selector on the lowest setting to keep things quiet in the room, but the sound through the line out was still rich. I can't say enough good things about this amp!

    Boy, that Parsons Humbuckers is pretty dark! Having it installed this week into the same guitar as you know, Lawson. Should be a nice alternative to the brighter Guild sound.

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    Here's a quick demo I did playing "The Shadow of Your Smile" on an L5ces through the Fender Tone Master Twin Reverb. Recorded using the XLR line out SM57 profile.

    Unfortunately I didn't have the input trim level on my recording interface thing set right and so there is a little digital clipping in spots. That's not the amp, that's my not having the level adjusted.


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    We don't get to hear you play enough chord melody that sounded great!

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    Took my 175 with me to GC to make sure. Came home with a TM Twin. But my strat said, “Hey!” and the 175 waits patiently while I explore the sound of a maxed out Twin with thick reverb -at bedroom levels. Oh. oh? Oh yes.
    Last edited by TedBPhx; 01-09-2020 at 02:40 AM.

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    I'm periodically going to do a clip with various guitars through the Tone Master Twin Reverb just for information. I think this amp is going to be very popular among jazz players and it's good to hear it with a range of guitars.

    This is the Aria Pro II PE180 "stock" using the XLR out with the IR#1 profile, which is a close-mic SM57.

    I"m also learning that the reverb on this amp, which sounds great "live" is especially good in recording. I don't know how they do it, but the reverb seems somehow tied to the volume or power level. Playing, I tend to think the reverb is a little much, but recorded the identical setting sounds great. I have heard the same is true in a room with an audience; it sounds a little thick to the player, but right out in the room. Haven't had a chance to test that part.

    I hope someone will give us a thread on the Tone Master Deluxe Reverb as well, but for now, it's the Twin!


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    That is a lovely 'verb. Thank you, Lawson for sharing this!

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    Thanks Lawson for the additional Tone Master videos. As I think you know, Fender worked hard to get the correct reverb sound. Tricky stuff apparently. Of the quad-core system then used half -- or two -- just for the reverb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archtopeddy
    Thanks Lawson for the additional Tone Master videos. As I think you know, Fender worked hard to get the correct reverb sound. Tricky stuff apparently. Of the quad-core system then used half -- or two -- just for the reverb.
    Yes, and I do think they got it. I wish there was more room to adjust, but in recording it always comes out nice. This is a seriously nice amp. I am not retiring my Fender Princeton Reverb Reissue at all, but this TMTR is a no-drama "get it done" amp.

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    I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t sorely tempted by this amp. I am envisioning this covering all my desired bases by putting something like a Tech 21 Blond in front.

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    **adding a disclaimer as I did not realize there are additional switches on the back of the amp that I should have been dialing in. I will repost once I have time to go try this amp out again but this review below is suspect based on what I found out**

    I just tested one of these side by side to a quilter toneblock 202 with blockdock 12 and was disappointed. I felt I could dial in something very similar to a twin sound (also had a twin tube there to play with as well) with the quilter but also many other tones as well. Twin had a coldness to it that I did not expect.

    I also tried some of my pedals with the tonemaster and they all sounded muffled (like there was a wet blanket over the speaker). Something unpleasant about the frequencies that I could not quite dial out.

    Just my 2c but curious if others have compared vs the toneblock and felt the same
    Last edited by wherearemykeys; 01-13-2020 at 05:01 PM. Reason: adding a disclaimer

  29. #278

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    Quote Originally Posted by wherearemykeys
    I just tested one of these side by side to a quilter toneblock 202 with blockdock 12 and was disappointed. I felt I could dial in something very similar to a twin sound (also had a twin tube there to play with as well) with the quilter but also many other tones as well. Twin had a coldness to it that I did not expect.

    I also tried some of my pedals with the tonemaster and they all sounded muffled (like there was a wet blanket over the speaker). Something unpleasant about the frequencies that I could not quite dial out.

    Just my 2c but curious if others have compared vs the toneblock and felt the same
    Funny but I monitor threads on the TM amps on a few boards, one of which has over 5000 posts. I know of only 4-5 who tested it came away with that impression. The overwhelming consensus is that the TMDR and TMTR are unbelievably close to the classic tone of their namesakes. Mine definitely does not sound that way. I have it side-by-side with a Princeton Reverb Re-Issue with the 12" speaker and a Quilter Interblock 45. Those are great sounding amps, but the TMTR suffers nothing in comparison.

    I also have not heard any comparison with the Quilter or DVMark that the Tone Master came up short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wherearemykeys
    I just tested one of these side by side to a quilter toneblock 202 with blockdock 12 and was disappointed. I felt I could dial in something very similar to a twin sound (also had a twin tube there to play with as well) with the quilter but also many other tones as well. Twin had a coldness to it that I did not expect.

    I also tried some of my pedals with the tonemaster and they all sounded muffled (like there was a wet blanket over the speaker). Something unpleasant about the frequencies that I could not quite dial out.

    Just my 2c but curious if others have compared vs the toneblock and felt the same
    Yeah, like with any piece of gear, there will be varying opinions on TM amps.

    Two most common complaints I read from people who weren't impressed by them were the lack of volume and brightness. TM amps seem to be quieter and darker (at least perceived so) when in the same settings with their tube counter parts. When I did A/B testing of Deluxe Reverb's, I found that the tube one was punchier when volume and tone controls were set equal between the two amps. That's probably more noticeable in some rooms than others. It could be because they have different speakers.

    This is not a show stopper though, it just means some tweaking is required. Did you try turning on the bright switch on the TM Twin? It helps to keep the volume a bit higher when comparing with the tube versions as well.

    You said there was also a tube version in the store. Did you compare quilter with the tube Twin as well? If so what did you think? It's also possible that you just like the Quilter more than Twins
    Last edited by Tal_175; 01-13-2020 at 01:06 PM.

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    Even the Washburn J600k, 17” lam and pressed spruce with a Benedetto S6, sounds good through the TM Twin. Hollow wood, or the auditory illusion thereof, comes through better than on the PC30 or Katana combo. Suspect because of 2 12s versus 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    Funny but I monitor threads on the TM amps on a few boards, one of which has over 5000 posts. I know of only 4-5 who tested it came away with that impression. The overwhelming consensus is that the TMDR and TMTR are unbelievably close to the classic tone of their namesakes. Mine definitely does not sound that way. I have it side-by-side with a Princeton Reverb Re-Issue with the 12" speaker and a Quilter Interblock 45. Those are great sounding amps, but the TMTR suffers nothing in comparison.

    I also have not heard any comparison with the Quilter or DVMark that the Tone Master came up short.
    I guess my experience was outside the norm of others - It’s possible that something was wrong with the particular amp itself because it was definitely falling short, including against the actual tube version which I was using as well.

    I was really excited to try based on the forums so was surprised. Maybe I will head by guitar center to try another tonemaster - I went to the other place because it had quilter stuff as well that I wanted to check out.


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    Following this thread with much interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wherearemykeys
    I guess my experience was outside the norm of others - It’s possible that something was wrong with the particular amp itself because it was definitely falling short, including against the actual tube version which I was using as well.

    I was really excited to try based on the forums so was surprised. Maybe I will head by guitar center to try another tonemaster - I went to the other place because it had quilter stuff as well that I wanted to check out.


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    What was the setting on the output level switch on the back? That switch runs from the full 85 Watts down through 40, 22 12, 5 and 1w. Obviously on 1 or 5 you aren't moving much air. I generally play mine with the output selector on 12 or 22. Front panel volume is 6, Treble 6, Middle 6, Bass 3. Also the Twin's front volume knob has a much slower increase in level than most other amps, simply because at the high end they are freaking loud (depending on what the output selector is set on).

    A lot of folks who just play one in a shop don't know about the back panel controls. It can make a big difference. Then again, the Quilter is a great amp and who says you need to change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    What was the setting on the output level switch on the back? That switch runs from the full 85 Watts down through 40, 22 12, 5 and 1w. Obviously on 1 or 5 you aren't moving much air. I generally play mine with the output selector on 12 or 22. Front panel volume is 6, Treble 6, Middle 6, Bass 3. Also the Twin's front volume knob has a much slower increase in level than most other amps, simply because at the high end they are freaking loud (depending on what the output selector is set on).

    A lot of folks who just play one in a shop don't know about the back panel controls. It can make a big difference. Then again, the Quilter is a great amp and who says you need to change?
    Therein lies the rub ... I have no idea what the output switch was on the back. I noticed there was a standby switch (which seemed funny without a tube). I will need to replay this experiment and adjust the output level switch you're talking about.

    I don't have the Quilter Toneblock but was evaluating. I really enjoyed my Benson Hotrod's chimey goodness as well as PRRI I used to have but on both there was always a narrow volume in which I could achieve the tone that I wanted. The Quilter toneblock was pretty great but I am going to reevaluate the TMTR now that you have pointed out my mistake. I'm going to give the Strymon Iridium and monitor a try as well as I am hearing good things too.

    Thanks for the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wherearemykeys
    Therein lies the rub ... I have no idea what the output switch was on the back. I noticed there was a standby switch (which seemed funny without a tube). I will need to replay this experiment and adjust the output level switch you're talking about.

    I don't have the Quilter Toneblock but was evaluating. I really enjoyed my Benson Hotrod's chimey goodness as well as PRRI I used to have but on both there was always a narrow volume in which I could achieve the tone that I wanted. The Quilter toneblock was pretty great but I am going to reevaluate the TMTR now that you have pointed out my mistake. I'm going to give the Strymon Iridium and monitor a try as well as I am hearing good things too.

    Thanks for the info!
    The "Standby" switch is really just a mute switch that shuts off output to the speakers so you can output solely through the line out to record or perform on a silent stage. There are 3 controls on the back. The Output Power selector, a switch to select which Line Out profile to use, and a line out level knob. The line out on these amps is really impressive. I have recorded simultaneously with an SM57 on the speaker and used the SM57 option on the line out and really could not tell the difference.

    I would almost bet the Output Power selector in that store was set on 1 Watt.

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    Deleted. I thought there was a master volume in addition to the output watts switch, but there’s not—just like on a real BF Twin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wherearemykeys
    Therein lies the rub ... I have no idea what the output switch was on the back. I noticed there was a standby switch (which seemed funny without a tube). I will need to replay this experiment and adjust the output level switch you're talking about.

    I don't have the Quilter Toneblock but was evaluating. I really enjoyed my Benson Hotrod's chimey goodness as well as PRRI I used to have but on both there was always a narrow volume in which I could achieve the tone that I wanted. The Quilter toneblock was pretty great but I am going to reevaluate the TMTR now that you have pointed out my mistake. I'm going to give the Strymon Iridium and monitor a try as well as I am hearing good things too.

    Thanks for the info!
    I have a Quilter Toneblock 200. Running into a 2X12 closed back with vintage Celestion's, it sounds absolutely amazing. Thing is, the cabinet weighs over 60 pounds and therefore does not leave the house. Running through a 1X12 Redstone cabinet it doesn't sound nearly as good.

    I will receive my Strymon Iridium tomorrow and will check back in on a separate thread. I'll be running it through various speakers: Yamaha DRZ10, Acus 350, and Schertler Jam 150. We'll see how it compares to the Quilter, a Roland Blues Artist, and my 81 Fender Concert.

    I've not played a Fender Tone Master yet. Since Fender had a very focused set of design goals combining speaker, cabinet, and amp sim, I don't expect the Strymon Iridium with a full range speaker to match it. However, I think it may come close while offering more choices and greater flexibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook410
    I have a Quilter Toneblock 200. Running into a 2X12 closed back with vintage Celestion's, it sounds absolutely amazing. Thing is, the cabinet weighs over 60 pounds and therefore does not leave the house. Running through a 1X12 Redstone cabinet it doesn't sound nearly as good.

    I will receive my Strymon Iridium tomorrow and will check back in on a separate thread. I'll be running it through various speakers: Yamaha DRZ10, Acus 350, and Schertler Jam 150. We'll see how it compares to the Quilter, a Roland Blues Artist, and my 81 Fender Concert.

    I've not played a Fender Tone Master yet. Since Fender had a very focused set of design goals combining speaker, cabinet, and amp sim, I don't expect the Strymon Iridium with a full range speaker to match it. However, I think it may come close while offering more choices and greater flexibility.
    Does the Strymon Iridium output a full power speaker signal? If not, what are you using as a power amp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    Does the Strymon Iridium output a full power speaker signal? If not, what are you using as a power amp?
    No, you need a powered speaker or power amp.

    I use a Yamaha DXR10 and the poster you are asking uses a higher quality DRZ10


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    They sure get a lot of promotion. I don't see them taking off personally, digital amps with these dimensions and these prices.
    Well, they took off alright. Nobody's able to keep them in stock, especially the Twin.