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hi guys -
I play a byrdland. I like it very much. The scale fits me well, it sounds great and looks great too. BUT, if I was being totally honest, I do miss the 24.75 scale.... I mean I bought it basically for the shorter scale and I didn't have anything that was full hollow. so I guess what i'm looking for is this -
-full hollow
-humbuckers
-depth of byrdland or slightly deeper (this is a big deal for me - i like the added depth of the byrd, and a 335 feels too thin for me now)
-24.75 scale
-Gibson (i don't have the $$ to play around with small builders. I've always played gibsons and know what i'm getting)
-60's?? This instrument probably doesn't exist so this one is optional..... hah
Does this exist? Help!
Thanks!
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01-11-2019 09:40 AM
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fartattack! how the hell you been?!
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hey joe
you know, just doing my thing, trying to find the right guitar for me
got any ideas??
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yeah man 175
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175 is my vote too. And since you are in Chicagoland, it should be easy to do some in person shopping, for example at Chicago Music Exchange . . . An ideal situation really
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ES 175 and ES 165 might be the only guitars that fit this description. That makes it simple. Is there another Gibson model that fits?
Originally Posted by fartattack
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yes, i don't know!
but 175 does not fit my criteria. its too thick. 3.312 is the 175 depth - 2.25 is the byrdland depth
its over an inch. it bothers me. yes i'm being bitchy but this sh!t is expensive and I don't want to play something i don't like or isn't exactly what i want.
any other thoughts?
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If you're willing to let go off the 60's criterion then there is ES 275:
ES-275
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Yes, I had forgotten that one. I did play one at dave's in la crosse WI and liked it. the smaller body reminded me of my byrdland,
isn't the 275 semi hollow?
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It's fully hollow. At least they made them that way in 2016. I don't know what they are doing now.
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Wow. Joe Pass' custom ES175 was thinner than the standard, but they're not available. Other brands than Gibson do the thinner 175 type, like a Heritage 575.
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oh what about a thinline 125?
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And they're kinda made by Gibson Originally Posted by lawson-stone
I would say, a nice 575 would be very close to the guitar JP had Gibson make...
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If it doesn't need to be Gibson there are some fine Japanese companies as well, like Seventy Seven. I looked for the depth of the ES-275 but all the Gibson site says is "medium depth".
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I think the Heritage 575 deserves a look. I think they are fully carved, modeled on the 175 body but depth is (I think) 3". I have never heard an owner of a 575 have anything but praise for it. Originally Posted by jim777
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Mimi Fox uses 575. This video might give an idea of the dimensions and the sound:
Last edited by Tal_175; 01-11-2019 at 10:31 PM.
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+1 on Heritage Guitars.
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There aren’t a lot of them around, but would an ES-175t be too thin for you?
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Fully carved maple top? Is that a thing? (not being a wise ass - I honestly don't know) Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Heritage's website says,"Featuring a figured maple body paired with a genuine genuine mahogany neck"that's two times more genuine than regular genuine.
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Yes, the 575 has a carved maple top. Originally Posted by jim777
Fully carved maple top? Is that a thing? (not being a wise ass - I honestly don't know)
Heritage's website says,"Featuring a figured maple body paired with a genuine genuine mahogany neck"that's two times more genuine than regular genuine.
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Yeah, the top is solid carved maple.
I thought it was a little weird, 'til I bought mine. Now I kind of see the benefit. It still has a pretty good deal of the "thunk" on the lower notes (like a 175) but seems to have more sustain up the neck.
Also, being that maple is a pretty hard wood structurally, it means the guitar is quite feedback resistant. The trade off is, of course, it doesn't sound like much acoustically (but modern 175's don't either...now an older, lightly built one, different story)
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The discontinued ES-195? You'll just have to put up with the Bigsby. It is essentially an ES-175 Thinline with the hockey stick headstock. You may find the Ebony ES-195 for well under $1800 used.
This gug is selling a used Amber at its brandnew price: Gibson Memphis ES-195 2013 Trans Amber w/ Original Hardshell | Reverb
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Yes. Originally Posted by fartattack
Gibson ES-195. Limited production, discontinued model.
Essentially an ES-175 that is thinner than the regular ES-175 and deeper than the ES-175T. ES-175T (Sorry about that earlier typo)
Requires:
-changing the tailpiece of you don't want the Bigsby (easy to do).
-changing the humbucker-sized single coil pickups to humbucking pickups, which is easy to do.
It's a Custom Shop guitar that was sold inexplicably cheap: used it it available cheap: even with the required reversible modifications is still cheap.
Meets ALL your criteria.Last edited by Hammertone; 01-12-2019 at 01:58 AM.
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How wedded are you to 24.75" scale? Danny W. has a Byrdland for sale on this forum with a 25-1/2" scale.
I played 24-3/4" scale Gibsons (ES-335, ES-175, L-50) for 45 years before I went with 25-1/2" scale archtops (Heritage Super Eagle, Unity 100th Anniversary, Matsumoku Super-V). I thought I might balk at the extra length...but I should have known better. I have played Fender guitars, too, for almost 50 years, so the longer scale was not an adjustment. It feels perfectly natural AND sounds better.
Danny W. is a well-known fellow and this forum and you will receive nothing but praise from folks who have dealt with him.
FWIW, he also has a thin-line L-5CES for sale, too.
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