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A Deluxe Reverb with a 50 Watt Speaker should do the trick...bear in mind that the vintage models with p2p wiring sound way better than the harsh sounding reissues.
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10-08-2015 04:30 PM
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Quilter!
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A DRRI will have NO WHERE NEAR the headroom a Twin does. From the OP's original post it sounds like he's probably a guitar volume knob kinda guy -- down for comping, up to 7 or 8 for solos -- and for those types, a DRRI will likely be under powered. DRRI's come stock with a 50watt speaker, but that will not keep the power section from running out of head room and farting out.
A Quilter is a great amp and might do the trick, but really, it won't sound like a Twin
And it will also run out of headroom if pushed high enough -- it's designed to behave like a tube amp after all! I own a MicroPro 200 and a TRRI and the Micropro will start distorting on the low notes way before the Twin will. BUT, it really depends on your guitar and how you set the guitar controls, how you set the amp and how loud you really need to be.
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You can rid the harsh sound of a DRRI by clipping the C10 cap but it is a bit of a job to get to it. If you are going new I like the sound of a PRRI better than a DRRI but don't know your volume needs. I am a big fan of Henriksens. Great plug and play amp but it is SS also.
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The Hot Rod Deluxe is a 40w all tube amp with a single 12". It doesnt sound like a Twin but it does sound like a Fender and has a ton of headroom. Its about half the weight of a Twin (about 40lbs). I had one, but sold it a while back. Kind of wish I had kept it now.
Switching out the preamp tubes will also open up the headroom on these amps.
You can get them used for $400.
Last edited by TheGrandWazoo; 10-08-2015 at 05:30 PM.
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A 50w 6l6 Deluxe Reverb. Plenty of custom builders will build one.
Digital is another good option.
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Mesa Express 50+
12" Speaker, 50watts, more dynamic than the Twin, top notch clean sound, super versatile...and it travels a lot easier.
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Fender George Benson?
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Cheaper- Hot Rod Deville, maybe the new Landau model, maybe the Benson. More money- Vintage Sound or Allen Amps in the 40 watt range. If you go the custom route, I'd recommend head and cab configuration, more versatility, better depth of sound from speakers. Mather Cabs is the sub for Vintage Sound, nice stuff, well made. Get a 1x12 and a 2x12, open back (removable panel.)
A Deluxe just doesn't have the headroom, leaving you frustrated, I expect.
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I'm quite amazed that most of you think that a Deluxe Reverb isn't loud enough in a jazz context...
I'm using one in a classic rock band which most probably is way louder than a jazz quartet or quintet and I wouldn't be able to turn it up past five on the volume without getting in trouble....
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The DR on five does not produce clean sounds anymore.
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So probably I have a different perception of "clean"....
Originally Posted by redwater
edit: also meant to say that if it's too loud in a classic rock context (Beatles, Rolling Stones, CCR and the like) I can't imagine that it's not enough in jazz context. Not trying to argue here but I always figured that jazz guitarists play at much more moderate volumes....Last edited by TOMMO; 10-09-2015 at 05:01 AM.
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But that's not because of the p2p wiring IMHO.... (but that's another discussion Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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A point to remeber about the GB Amp is that it is just a standard Hot Rod Deluxe with a different speaker, different Tolex, and different preamp tube. Just changing the preamp tube to a lower value opens up all that headroom. Save your money.
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What you need is a half a Twin: a compact 2x6L6 amp with only the reverb channel of the Twin (maybe minus the tremole even) and only one 12" speaker.
I have been looking for an amp like that myself and they are hard to find!!
I ended up changing the circuit of my Blues Deluxe amp and now it comes pretty close, but I wish the cabinet would be smaller (like an early MesaBoogie, minus the extra gain in the pre-amp and minus the EQ-section).
If anybody has any good suggestions for an amp like that I'd would be happy to hear!
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I agree. Plenty of headroom for his self described pick attack, lighter, better speaker and cab material than the HRD. Originally Posted by nickyboy
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That is not 100% true. The different speaker adds headroom along with the 12at7, the cab material is lighter and adds to the tone. Cheaper your way yes, but side by side comparisons ( which I did ) and considering how many times you buy an amp I think it is worth the extra $165. Originally Posted by TheGrandWazoo
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the henriksen jazzamp 110 is just unbelievably good
in particular - it has a tube like chewiness and softness to the attack which is hard to believe
i had a huge open backed rivera jazz suprema
it lost out (after a year or so) in direct comparison with clarus 1r plus redstone 12'' cab
and that (after a year or so) lost out to the henriksen
when you get the amp round the 3 plus mark it starts to sound frickenchicken good
the size and portability is neither here nor there - its the sound and feel that counts
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Jay: Gries, Vintage Sound Amps or Tube Tone will build that amp (and many others). Or build a TAD kit.
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Beware of the Custom Vibrolux Reverb: while it's a great amp it breaks up at early settings (which is intended) because it doesn't have a negative feedback loop. As for hiss: Mine doesn't produce any more than other Fenders of mine (DRRI and '59 Bassman RI).
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I'm in the same boat as the OP. Right now I'm looking at a Port City Pearl head and cabinet as a Twin alternative. Does anyone here have any experience with this amp?
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I use a Rivera Clubster 40. It's clean side is CLEAN with more than enough headroom. It is a little too hissy for recording but for a great gigging amp for jazz, funk, r&b, reggae any clean electric guitar it has more than met my needs for the last ten years. It also has a Marshall esque gain side which can get downright modern high gain to classic rock to very satisfying blues tones. Built to last and pretty affordable. It's not 6l6 but... I find it more than adequate.
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The way I play -- guitar controls wide open, Teles and p90 guitars -- a DRRI is also more power than I actually need. I also like a bit of dirt when I really dig in and a Deluxe is way too loud for that. Currently I'm using either a 15watt Pro Junior (retubed with a 5751 and 12AU7) or a 10watt custom amp (1 EL34, 1 5751, Jensen Electric Lightning 10" speaker). Both are actually loud enough to play with an even handed drummer, i.e. not a rock neanderthal Originally Posted by TOMMO
But for guys who use humbucker guitars, crank the bass and drop the treble on the amp, roll down BOTH the tone and volume on the guitar, 22watts won't give enough head room. In the steel guitar world it's very similar where they play with the volume pedal barely cracked on to "create sustain". For that technique, you need a god-awful amount of power and clean headroom.Last edited by D.G.; 10-09-2015 at 01:42 PM.
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I try a Fender Mustang III or may be a iV which has 2 speakers. Does a great Twin without the weight.
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My suggestion, a Rivera-era Fender Concert, but it's still pretty hefty.
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