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  1. #26

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    A little proud is cool but off center and unevenly spaced is not. Nothing wrong with having a nut slotted properly by your luthier but you shouldn’t have to replace a brand new nut on a brand new guitar IMO. Gibson should at least get the notch locations right. Every player has there own setup preferences. I personally like my nut slots on the high side as I like almost no neck relief. At these CME prices we are still ahead of the game with these minor flaws.

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    Congratulations on a very nice 175!

    I have a Norlin era ES 175 CC, 1979 that I bought new. Love the guitar, no flaws, no complaints still playing it. It's as nice and well made as my 1968 Les Paul, bought that new as well (I was a teenager)!

    Gibson ES-175 Figured-175cc-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    A little proud is cool but off center and unevenly spaced is not. Nothing wrong with having a nut slotted properly by your luthier but you shouldn’t have to replace a brand new nut on a brand new guitar IMO. Gibson should at least get the notch locations right. Every player has there own setup preferences. I personally like my nut slots on the high side as I like almost no neck relief. At these CME prices we are still ahead of the game with these minor flaws.
    The nuts on both of my CME Gibsons are cut high and that is fine for me. I like a neck with almost no relief (like Vinny) and a high nut is necessary for low action with a straight neck.

    The spacing is even and wide. The wide spacing is great for jazz chords, but does put the strings close to the edge (on both E strings). If you are an aggressive player, this could cause you to push either E string off the edge. But if you play with a light touch, this is no problem.

    Gibson has to make a choice on a one size fits all setup. Martin ships their guitars with a high saddle and a high nut (another one size fits all choice).

    These are not QC issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ESCC
    Congratulations on a very nice 175!

    I have a Norlin era ES 175 CC, 1979 that I bought new. Love the guitar, no flaws, no complaints still playing it. It's as nice and well made as my 1968 Les Paul, bought that new as well (I was a teenager)!

    Gibson ES-175 Figured-175cc-jpg
    The Speed knobs (my favorite) look great on that 175CC! Did you keep the original witch hats?

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    Yes I did keep them, they are in the case! The quality of the witch hats, to me, was below what the guitar deserved.

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    $100 for a bone nut! You guys are paying coastal prices.

    I had Pete Moreno put a bone nut on a guitar two years ago. He suggested a synthetic nut because he has to charge $4 more for bone.

    He has chunks of camel bone that he cuts. Total cost for a new nut installed was $30.

    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    The one Joe got has the same nut issue. If everything else is cool it is worth keeping and getting a new $100 bone nut.
    People are forgetting the 70’s. You bought a new Gibson and the next day your luthier was doing a re fret on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ESCC
    Congratulations on a very nice 175!

    I have a Norlin era ES 175 CC, 1979 that I bought new. Love the guitar, no flaws, no complaints still playing it. It's as nice and well made as my 1968 Les Paul, bought that new as well (I was a teenager)!

    Gibson ES-175 Figured-175cc-jpg
    Beautiful! One of those is surely on my dream list...

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    Those CC 175’s are the cat’s meow !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Grass
    $100 for a bone nut! You guys are paying coastal prices.

    I had Pete Moreno put a bone nut on a guitar two years ago. He suggested a synthetic nut because he has to charge $4 more for bone.

    He has chunks of camel bone that he cuts. Total cost for a new nut installed was $30.
    In the last few years, I have had two bone nuts cut and installed by two different northern California luthiers. Both charged me $90

    $30 sounds like an absolute bargain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    Those CC 175’s are the cat’s meow !
    Wearing an ascot and bell bottom pants, I almost feel like Barney playing it, that's Kessell not Fife!

  12. #36

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    Norlin was an Equadorian Cement company that owned Gibson back after Chicago Musical Instruments. They were intereted in cutting manufactering costs to the existing Gibson line. In example the number of actions required to build an ES-335 were simplified from say 10-12 down 6-7. Existing leftover Epiphone pickups etc. Mini Hums were used in the LP Deluxe rather than full humbuckers.

    While this isn't always a bad thing, they weren't interested in improvements for the musician's sake, just the bottom line. Could be argued the Volutes were an improvement, but I think it was to cut down on repairs and warranty work.
    All I can say is I never bonded with Gibsons from that era.