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I bought 7 ES175's from CME. The 4 regular flamed were all good guitars. The 3 VOS 175's all were returned with neck issues. Refunds on the 3 were prompt and courteous. Hopefully they don't resend out those bad VOS models.
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12-16-2017 12:35 PM
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BeBob, out of curiosity, how long ago were new R9s going for $2,800? Also, thanks for putting some doubt in my mind with the color splotching potential issue. I have been fighting the GAS and that helps ha ha.
I have wondered what CME is doing with the ones that get returned.
And congrats to all the happy buyers too.
Going forward, with the demographics in play such as the aging and more affluent guitar buying customers buying less or downsizing their own collections, maybe lower prices will become the norm. I have pretty much only bought used Gibsons (and have done well deal wise) and in recent years would not even consider a new one, partially due to the cost. These 2nds are the first "new" Gibson GAS I have had in many years.
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I’m a bit nervous because of vinny’s experience..
Originally Posted by ovidius
Thanks waltf. For sure you vos will arrive perfect
, let us know.
You mean you dont have to pay the shipment back to usa and they refund the shipping?
Yeah i have to pay for the return shipping but they will refund that.. but only if the guitar is defective.
This is what they told me:”Being that it's international, if there's any major issues with the guitar that make it defective, you'd need to pay for the shipping up front and we'd reimburse you after it's back. That's because we can't generate international shipping labels, only domestic. In the end though if it's something that can be fixed, we'd prefer you to take it to a local luthier for a quote, and we can determine if it's something we can cover by issuing a partial refund for. Does that make sense?"
Fingers crossed..
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Do you have the serial numbers of the ones you sent back? Hope I don’t receive one of them.. Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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I bought a CME 175 (figured Natural) and it is pretty much a perfect guitar with excellent workmanship. After a week of ownership, I found a tiny blister on the underside that you can only see in certain light if you are looking very carefully. The underside of the pickguard is rough, but I suspect they all are, CME floor models or not, and this can be easily remedied with a piece of sandpaper.
My CME 330 had the same roughness on the underside of the pickguard along with a couple of minor cosmetic issues that are all easily remedied.
I had a 60's 175 that had a 2 stamped on the back of the headstock. It had an awful sunburst that could only be remedied through a complete refinish. These CME floor models have cosmetic issues that can be easily remedied (at least from the two that I have seen) and are a serious bargain (a new Gibson at a used Gibson price).
Only time will tell if these are a bargain or not. Do you feel lucky?
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Thanks for the info. Really, it is incredible that they sell so expensive guitars with this kind of defects. Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
Nevertheless I ordered a figured sunburst right now.
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CME owns Reverb? Is that common knowledge? Am I just oblivious to something that everyone else already knows? Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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If those serial numbers were ever posted, THAT would be the Greatest Public Service Announcement in the history of this forum. Originally Posted by waltf
The only CME Floor Model that I would be interested in is the 59 VOS ES-175, because I am only interested in the fat-necked 175. I have not ordered a 59 175 from CME primarily because I've heard about the 3 bad ones that had to go back. That's tempered my enthusiasm. If I could order one, specifying which serial numbers not to ship, then I might consider taking the risk on ordering one.
It sure would be nice to know where all of those defective models went. It would be interesting if people could post a list of the rejects by model number and serial number. I'm sure CME would hate that, but it would help the people who are participating in this thread. Maybe we need to circulate a double-secret list by PM.
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> BeBob, out of curiosity, how long ago were new R9s going for $2,800?
2002. It was a negotiated price, not an advertised price. YGPM.
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I purchased an ES 275 about six weeks ago that I had to return for quality reasons. Last week I decided to try again. I talked a bit with the sales rep and eventually asked him if the guitar I was looking at was one that had been returned. He assured me that their policy on returned guitars was to put them up for sale in their brick-and-mortar store. He gave no indication that he might be pushing the truth. The new guitar arrives tomorrow so we should know by then. Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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Originally Posted by BeBob
Originally Posted by BeBob
you're in the USA.. what's the risk in ordering one? Worst case scenario you have to send it back?
My vos arrived today, will do a report later when i have had more time with her
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What's the risk? To someone like me, time is more valuable than money.
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If you want a risk free transaction, buy a local guitar with a face to face guitar/cash exchange. Anything else and there is going to be risk. And time will more often than not be the loss, rather than the money. Originally Posted by BeBob
CME makes it clear that these deals involve guitars with some level of flaw(s). I have bought two of them and the flaws are insignificant at these prices. At regular Gibson prices, they would be a problem for me. Every guitarist has different standards of what flaws they will accept (and at what price point flaws are OK).
I presume that CME will ship out the returns until they are in the hands of a guitarist who accepts them (and some will, no matter the flaw).
If you want a perfect new Gibson guitar, pay full blast retail. If you want a bargain, take the CME risk.
Like many things in life, you cannot have your cake and eat it too.
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Well for me this was the faster option.. either had to drive to a store to check a guitar, or have one delivered at my doorstep. Post office is alot closer than any guitarstore. Returning it would cost me maybe an hour. Going to a store and back a lot more. Originally Posted by BeBob
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