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After over two years of development and refinement, Martin Taylor has now released details of his new Fibonacci 'Joya' model. Video 1 sets the background and Video 2 deals with design features and the sounds available from this superb new model. Note that in the videos Martin is handling the prototype and points up changes that will be made to production models ( now available to order ). Spec' for that model is here: MARTIN TAYLOR JOYA
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Martin Taylor Guitars - Video 2 - The Sound
David
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11-07-2017 08:40 AM
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But it's under his own name, not Fibonacci?
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I can see how that might perhaps be a little confusing Rob, but the model is to be called Martin Taylor 'Joya' by Fibonacci. It will be sold either by Fibonacci on their own site or by Martin direct from his site. Same guitar!
Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
David
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I wonder how many guitars he plans on endorsing. The total is getting up there.
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Spot on, two for Peerless and one so far with Fibonacci. Popular guy. Originally Posted by sgosnell
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In fact, the reason we didn’t but the Fibonacci name on the headstock was to avoid making it too congested, but it is certainly a Fibonacci guitar...hand crafted maple pickup cover (see spec under 'Our Guitars on site ) and the insert label deal with this. Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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are you suggesting that his old signature guitars now have a peer? Originally Posted by sgosnell
if you wanted to keep the headstock uncluttered, you could have it say just "taylor". or "martin", if you're on a first name basis with him. Originally Posted by blackcat
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Would you explain how this guitar is different from his Peerless Maestro model? Originally Posted by blackcat
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I think the idea of a small-bodied, affordable archtop is fantastic. Spot on
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No, they're peerless Originally Posted by feet
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Originally Posted by rob taft
You can compare the two quite easily..................hand carved makes a big difference of course for one thing.
https://martintaylor.com/maestro/
https://www.fibonacciguitars.com/martintaylorjoya
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So other than one being machine carved in China and the the Joya being "hand carved" in China there isn't much if any difference. I say machine carved because I honestly don't now how the Peerless top is carved. Originally Posted by blackcat
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um....Did you see the price for this?: 4K Pounds = $5,267 Not exactly affordable (unless street price is heavily discounted) Originally Posted by ragman1
I think the idea of a small-bodied, affordable archtop is fantastic. Spot on
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Beautiful sound tho
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The headstock is Peerless and that implies an Unsung level of craftsmanship within an Incheon market expectation. The shape embodies the Seoul of archtops.
I am, in the end South, gore-ad by the £4000 price tag though.
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Originally Posted by rob taft
I do. Peerless is actually machine carved in Korea. There is a big difference in tone between machine and hand carving. But other than having various parts produced in China, Korea, Japan, USA, Croatia, UK, with materials coming from USA,Canada, India, all the assembly, hand finishing, nitro spraying, final set ups using quality components, and QC takes place in the UK.
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Fibonacci Founder Graham Esson says............... Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
Actually a bargain for an all solid, hand carved, nitrocellulose archtop, assembled and hand finished in the UK. We have done our homework on this and you will struggle to find any archtop on par for quality anywhere in the world. There will be no discounts on this baby!
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Your forgot his fantastic Vanden signature guitar made in Scotland (9,000 quid) or his Yamaha sig model from years ago. Originally Posted by blackcat
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I'm not convinced of the complete superiority of hand carving over machine. The machine can repeat a shape precicesly, over and over. Hand carving quality depends entirely on the skill and knowledge of the person doing the carving, and on the carver being attentive and involved during the entire process. It can be superior, but it's not guaranteed to be. I would not choose nor reject an instrument based solely on that criterion.
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Originally Posted by sgosnell
It's quite possible that in this case ... "hand carved" means the initial carve was by a machine and then finished by hand ...
which would be optimum IMHO ... even before CNC machines companies like Gibson were using duplicarvers for the initial carving ..
I saw them using duplicarvers on Les Paul tops when I toured the Nashville factory in 1984, but I would bet they used them for archtops as well
Even if it really is hand carved, I'm betting the initial carving is done by a lower level employee and not the chief luthiers
If a machine is available why would a top luthier waste his time doing the entire carve ... unless they are convinced it imparts the luthiers mana into the wood or some other mystical idea
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Machines are far more repeatable, faster, and more dependable for many things. I doubt that any mass manufacturer is doing inlay by hand, nor much of anything else. We all use power tools for routine jobs these days. Using hand tools for everything only makes sense if you have almost infinite time and just want to do it for the experience. If you need to make money, you should use the proper tools to get the work done quickly and accurately, and I'm sure every luthier does. Making one-off instruments for myself, I have to balance speed and convenience against cost, because there is no income, and so I don't invest in expensive equipment. I do use every power tool I have available, though, and I'd be foolish not to. Commercial production is far different from what I do.
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True, although I think Vanden treated them more as a limited edition model. What serious maker would not want such a superb player on board? Originally Posted by DRS
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I think when the term hand carved was mentioned by the maker they meant rough machined then finished carving by hand, tap tuned etc.
I don,t know if some hollow arched tops can be cnc routered to exact profiles, ie, a bookmatched face on both sides, i would have thought that when you get down to about 6mm then the wood would have a tendency to move and bounce towards the cutter, parts of the grain chipping etc.
Benedetto still rough carves on a duplicator router then finishes by hand and his are pricey but very beautiful.
Do Gibson totally hand carve any archtops?
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I was lucky enough to tour the Nashville custom shop at Gibson in 1994 and they were using CNC machines even then for the tops and backs on their carved archtops Originally Posted by johnnyjazz
From what I understand the CNC machines can't or aren't used to get that last final carve ... they finish the carving by hand ...
Perhaps the CNC machine gets it to the point where sanding by hand and a little carve here and there for tuning can complete the job ... maybe some of the luthiers here can let us know how close they get with the CNC machine before they complete the work by hand
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Gibson does not totally hand carve any archtops. They used to use a very old rough-carving machine (that they moved from Kalamazoo to Nashville) for top and back plates - I guess that's changed, based on the above post. The more germane question for Gibson is how much hand-carving/tuning do they do to their various carved top/carved back archtop models after they have been rough-carved? Originally Posted by johnnyjazz
Regarding the new Fibonacci guitars, I think it's great that they have invested in advancing the archtop guitar in this manner and wish them only the best of luck. Since they are providing some useful information in this thread, I have a few questions.
- are the top and back plates rough-carved on a machine, then finish-carved by hand?
- are the bodies glued together and bound by Peerless or is that work done in England?
- is any carving done in England?
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