Seventy Seven Hawk Jazz clips (added comparison)

**Robertkoa** · 11-05-2017, 06:26 PM

Yes me too.
I imagine they would love to get one in your Hands for another quality Demo.

There's a Guy playing some Blues' live' with his Band
getting some really thick Tones on the thinner version ( Jazz Hawk ).

And the Brad Kang Demo of Jazz Hawk ( thin ) sounds really really good ..

The reason I might want the thinner one is to wail away unplugged at 3 AM unplugged ( or Record Direct soon )without waking anyone in next room - also thinking that the Thinner One is less fragile to Play at Clubs ?

Still for the great Phatt Tones probably the Fat Jazz Hawk will still win ..

I hope they send you an Exrubato Jazz and a Jazz Hawk ( thin ) to Review soon ..

**jzucker** · 11-05-2017, 06:36 PM

I like the thinner guitars too. I actually really love the 77 Albatross. It's a killer all-purpose guitar. I think the thinner hawk jazz would have a punchier more 175esque tone and still be feedback resistant and great for bop ,metheny, fusion, smooth jazz, blues, etc. Ultimately, the thinner guitars are more comfortable to play and lighter of course...

I've heard all those clips and they sound great!

Originally Posted by Robertkoa

Yes me too.
I imagine they would love to get one in your Hands for another quality Demo.

There's a Guy playing some Blues' live' with his Band
getting some really thick Tones on the thinner version ( Jazz Hawk ).

And the Brad Kang Demo of Jazz Hawk ( thin ) sounds really really good ..

The reason I might want the thinner one is to wail away unplugged at 3 AM unplugged ( or Record Direct soon )without waking anyone in next room - also thinking that the Thinner One is less fragile to Play at Clubs ?

Still for the great Phatt Tones probably the Fat Jazz Hawk will still win ..

I hope they send you an Exrubato Jazz and a Jazz Hawk ( thin ) to Review soon ..

**Robertkoa** · 11-06-2017, 12:10 PM

Neck Thickness Question...Are the necks on both Hawks similar to what we would find on a Gibson ES 137 or even thicker ?

I suppose Seventy Seven might want to publish some specs on this since they are gradually getting a good reputation/ more known now in USA ..

**jzucker** · 11-06-2017, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Robertkoa

Neck Thickness Question...Are the necks on both Hawks similar to what we would find on a Gibson ES 137 or even thicker ?

I suppose Seventy Seven might want to publish some specs on this since they are gradually getting a good reputation/ more known now in USA ..

They are both thicker than an ES-137. I would say they are a thinner than a real '59 175 neck but thicker than anything gibson currently makes that I've played at least.

I'm considering doing a custom order. I love the slim neck on my gibson kessel. I'd love a 77 neck with that.

**Greentone** · 11-06-2017, 03:25 PM

I would have to agree with Jack that you can't beat a 'hog ES-175 from the '80s. They just have a tonal shift towards the midrange, combined with a thunk that the Gibson laminate-body archtops just exude. As much of a sucker as I am for a '50s P90-equipped ES-175, I REALLY go for the 80s mahogany bodied examples.

All this said, Jack's comparison clip is an example of great playing, great sound (+1 and then some on the signal chain, Jack), and props on the great find of the year on the Seventy Seven guitars.

**Robertkoa** · 11-06-2017, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

They are both thicker than an ES-137. I would say they are a thinner than a real '59 175 neck but thicker than anything gibson currently makes that I've played at least.

I'm considering doing a custom order. I love the slim neck on my gibson kessel. I'd love a 77 neck with that.

Yeah - what would we do , tell 77 that we want the Profile to be .80 at the 1st Fret and going to .90 at top of neck ?

Or have a tech measure the Profile of a neck we like and they will get close ?

Hopefully it's just a $100 upcharge ...
If I order one ( even the Fat Hawk Jazz ) I will request coil cut Pots so a good Caveat on neck thickness -

I had read that the Necks are large on some 77s.

**bluemusic4us** · 11-06-2017, 08:10 PM

Great sounding guitars!
There is a percussive attack or something that I just love about the 175. Don't know if it comes with age, or . . .?
But all fine guitars!

**xuoham** · 11-06-2017, 11:28 PM

Fantastic playing !!

**jzucker** · 11-11-2017, 03:33 PM

These beat out my Gibson 175!

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**hodshonf** · 01-05-2018, 11:44 PM

apologies if I missed it, but how would you compare the Hawk Jazz to the Hawk-Jazz/Deep?

i'm a Bacchus Woodline bass owner and SWEAR by DeViser.

just started looking at the Seventy Sevens.

great thread! thanks!

**jzucker** · 01-06-2018, 12:04 AM

The hawk jazz and hawk deep jazz are the same guitar. Here's a comparison between the jazz standard and the jazz. Main difference being the standard has a mahogany neck with rosewood board and the jazz has 5 pc maple / walnut neck and ebony board (like an L5). The maple/ebony gives a brighter sound but it can be tamed with the tone control. I prefer the 5pc/ebony...

Main difference being

Originally Posted by hodshonf

apologies if I missed it, but how would you compare the Hawk Jazz to the Hawk-Jazz/Deep?

i'm a Bacchus Woodline bass owner and SWEAR by DeViser.

just started looking at the Seventy Sevens.

great thread! thanks!

**hodshonf** · 01-06-2018, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by jzucker

The hawk jazz and hawk deep jazz are the same guitar. Here's a comparison between the jazz standard and the jazz. Main difference being the standard has a mahogany neck with rosewood board and the jazz has 5 pc maple / walnut neck and ebony board (like an L5). The maple/ebony gives a brighter sound but it can be tamed with the tone control. I prefer the 5pc/ebony...

Main difference being

from the website - burst looks diff, pricing is different.

but same guitar? is it just a cosmetic difference between the 2?

HAWK-JAZZ
220,000 yen

HAWK-JAZZ/DEEP
230,000 yen

**jazzmus** · 01-06-2018, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by hodshonf

from the website - burst looks diff, pricing is different.

but same guitar? is it just a cosmetic difference between the 2?

HAWK-JAZZ
220,000 yen

HAWK-JAZZ/DEEP
230,000 yen

hawk std (lam maple/rosewood)

hawk jazz (spruce/ebony)

- both are initially thinline body depth, both models are also further offered as "deep". (ca. ES125T/175T vs. 125/175 depth etc.)

**Robertkoa** · 01-06-2018, 07:02 AM

I would like to know the neck thickness at the first fret ...( fretboard , not on a fret , to back of the neck at thickest part ),

And at 12th Fret ..

Thanks .

**jzucker** · 01-06-2018, 08:39 AM

.89" at the first and .99 at the 10th on the jazz hawk. The standard I have is ever so slightly thinner. I didn't do the 12th because the 12th is already into the curve of the neck heel.

By the way, the confusion seems to be in their naming scheme. I'm not 100% sure of their naming scheme because it seems to be inconsistent but the two I have, one is the standard and the other does not have standard in the name. The "deep" is descriptive to differentiate between the thinline and the normal thickness so I'm not 100% sure it's relevant in terms of the model name. In my case, both of them are considered deep.

After all is said and done, I like the Hawk Jazz a little better but I think part of it is that the standard I have with only a single pickup is a bit too resonant for me and feeds back at lower volumes. If both were two pickup guitars I'd probably prefer the standard because it's a little more 175ish in tone whereas the maple/ebony version sounds more like the '70s series gibson 175s with the maple neck...

Originally Posted by Robertkoa

I would like to know the neck thickness at the first fret ...( fretboard , not on a fret , to back of the neck at thickest part ),

And at 12th Fret ..

Thanks .

**jazzmus** · 01-06-2018, 09:27 AM

It is straight forward, there are 2 hawks, the STD and the jazz, both are further offered as deep, only the deep variation (of both the STD and Jazz) come as single or 2 pup. cheers.

**yebdox** · 01-06-2018, 10:48 AM

Sorry, Jack, but I'm going to have to rip off your arrangement. I promise not to play it half as well as you and to give you credit if I get any compliments!

**jzucker** · 01-06-2018, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by yebdox

Sorry, Jack, but I'm going to have to rip off your arrangement. I promise not to play it half as well as you and to give you credit if I get any compliments!

which arrangement? "My one and only love?"

**yebdox** · 01-06-2018, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by jzucker

which arrangement? "My one and only love?"

Yup, didn't listen to the other ones yet, was just struck by that one and want to get some of those voicings under my fingers. Thanks!

**Robertkoa** · 01-06-2018, 12:12 PM

Thanks Jack for the measurement ...

I appreciate the additional details in the tone differences...

But - if you were going to also play some of your Legato ...and Carlton-ish stuff ..

The Jazz Hawk has the 'bloom ' longer sustain right?

Where Picking super soft with Light vibrato makes the note ring at the same volume till you stop ..essentially .

You could Play the same way as you do on the Albatross( Legato/Fusion etc .) and get similar Tones
on the Jazz Hawk the ...essentially ..more so than the Standard ?

**jzucker** · 01-07-2018, 09:16 AM

Yes, you're definitely right about the note bloom.

Originally Posted by Robertkoa

Thanks Jack for the measurement ...

I appreciate the additional details in the tone differences...

But - if you were going to also play some of your Legato ...and Carlton-ish stuff ..

The Jazz Hawk has the 'bloom ' longer sustain right?

Where Picking super soft with Light vibrato makes the note ring at the same volume till you stop ..essentially .

You could Play the same way as you do on the Albatross( Legato/Fusion etc .) and get similar Tones
on the Jazz Hawk the ...essentially ..more so than the Standard ?