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10-20-2017 12:25 PM
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JZ, Of the items on your list, I own a Kemper and a first generation H&K Tube Factor. Until the Kemper came along. I used this pedal in front of my late 1970's Polytone 104 2X12 and a Avid 11 Rack. Channel 1 on that pedal is a good pedal for warming up a tube amp as well a providing creamy overdrive if needed. Channel 2 is way too much gain and I never used it. The downside is it is pretty large and has a hard to get high voltage power supply but is sounds great. Of the pedals I own, the Tube Factor, my Alf H Zen Drive 2 and my Fox Rox Aquavibe will be the last to leave me.
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I guess it depends what each of us are looking for in terms of tone with either SS or Tubes. I get the general thing being more Sag or Compression associated with tube pre and power amps. Sometimes a quicker imediate attack that only SS will give is preferable and sometimes not.
I think most Jazz guitarists prefer quick imediate attack i.e. Pat Martino and Pat Metheny Where as Fusion players who wish more note bloom prefer tubes i.e. Larry Carlton, Robben Ford
Have not played a Kemper Profiler, but with the advances of technology, I would imigine this a great happy medium that would make most of us happy. I tried the Bias Grid head w/ power amp built in, and while I saw a lot of potential was not convinced. To be fair I only tweaked it w/out a lap top app.
I really like the Tech 21 Liverpool Character pedal I use to own for direct to P.A. use and also the Boss Microcube for this use. Atomic Amplifier Box looks great as well.
I think ideally it's not just the preamp tubes but capturing the power tube when they are pushed harder,that most of us are looking for. My thought is maybe a small 5-20 watt tube amp being slaved into say a 100-200 watt SS power amp into a cab. Just don't want to spend the $$ or the time since Quilter Aviators seem to work well enough for my live needs.
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Actually I go back and forth with tube and SS amps depending on guitar, volumes, settings, and music. I love both type amps.
My main SS is a Henriksen 312. My big complaint is SS reverb. I simply do not like it.
I only like Fender type spring reverb. Can someone give me a recommendation for a simple reverb pedal that will nail Fender reverb on a SS amp ? I like to keep my setup really simple so something with fewer the knobs the better. Sorry to go a little off topic.
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Martino used tube amps on all his greatest recordings like Strings, East, etc. Metheny has long been a tube fan and has used a digitech 2101 tube preamp for years and recently switched to an axefx. Most of the jazz guitarists I know gigging in NY prefer a deluxe reverb but some have switched to SS for portability.
And the models easily get that "on the verge of clipping" sound at any volume level!
Originally Posted by jads57
I guess it depends what each of us are looking for in terms of tone with either SS or Tubes. I get the general thing being more Sag or Compression associated with tube pre and power amps. Sometimes a quicker imediate attack that only SS will give is preferable and sometimes not.
I think most Jazz guitarists prefer quick imediate attack i.e. Pat Martino and Pat Metheny Where as Fusion players who wish more note bloom prefer tubes i.e. Larry Carlton, Robben Ford
Have not played a Kemper Profiler, but with the advances of technology, I would imigine this a great happy medium that would make most of us happy. I tried the Bias Grid head w/ power amp built in, and while I saw a lot of potential was not convinced. To be fair I only tweaked it w/out a lap top app.
I really like the Tech 21 Liverpool Character pedal I use to own for direct to P.A. use and also the Boss Microcube for this use. Atomic Amplifier Box looks great as well.
I think ideally it's not just the preamp tubes but capturing the power tube when they are pushed harder,that most of us are looking for. My thought is maybe a small 5-20 watt tube amp being slaved into say a 100-200 watt SS power amp into a cab. Just don't want to spend the $$ or the time since Quilter Aviators seem to work well enough for my live needs.
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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I love simplicity too. I have had one knob Rockett Boing in my rock rig for about a year and dig it still a lot: Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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Vinny, I agree about digital reverb. Here is what I use: Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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I have a HOF Mini reverb that I like. It's as simple as it gets - one knob. But it's easy to change the reverb with a smartphone or computer, and there are hundreds of presets available on the internet, including spring, plate hall, room, church, anything you can imagine. I personally prefer the HOF default most of the time. I switch every now and then just because I can, dpending on the room and what I'm playing. They're cheap enough on Reverb/ebay/GC/wherever. Personally, I'm not that fond of spring reverbs, but that's just me.
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Pat Martino as well as most guitarists just used the amplifier provided by the studio back in the day. He's been using s Acoustic Image Clarus for some years now. As far as the newer Jazz guys in N.Y and Europe I assume they also use what's easy to carry or what's provided by the venue.
As far as Pat Metheny he always used Acoustic 4x10" SS combos. He switched to the Digitech later which basically is just preamp fed to monitors and front of house. Pretty early digital technology compared to the Axe FX.
Point is these guys want an immediate pick attack that SS tends to deliver, where as tubes tend to have a softer lag feel for lack of better term.
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A few years back, I got together with Pat Martino after one of his shows and we discussed gear. Pat told me that his favorite rig was his Acoustic Image Clarus (series 2) combined with two Raezer's Edge Stealth 12 cabinets. When he tours, he carries his Acoustic Image Clarus and uses whatever cabinets the club provides. Originally Posted by jads57
I prefer SS over tubes myself. I like the extreme clean headroom and the immediate attack. I do use a low watt tube amp on Western Swing gigs as the sag and the tiny bit of dirt gives me an "old timey" sound that is appropriate for the gig.
Like guitars, there is no right answer or one size fits all when it comes to amps. It is all a matter of taste.
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dear Vinny Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
in addition to the pedals mentioned I think that a plain vanilla Boss FR-1 gives a good spring reverb sound. Even better is the Mad Professor Silver Spring.
best
Frank
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I studied with him for a year and we spoke about this often. He preferred the fender amp sound. He traveled around with a fender amp. Later with his rock band he switched to a Marshall Stack which was too hard to travel with so he downsized to a crown power amp and various preamps such as Furman PQ3 because he needed the volume. When I went back to see him after his surgery he was looking for smaller and lighter solutions such as polytone, etc. What he does now is for convenience but his early albums with the full hollowbody and fender amp tone set the standard for decades to come.
Metheny also prefers the warm sound of vacuum tubes which is why he started using the digitech and now the axefx.
Originally Posted by jads57
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In the UK we have Crystal Palace’s very own Jon Dickinson. Home - Dickinson Amplification
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Also an expert luthier
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what's that got to do with the thread? lol Originally Posted by christianm77
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Just as warning, the Boing uses the same reverb chip as the new Henriksens. It may be a different decay one and I know he adds a treble circuit after the reverb to make it more spring-like, but still - they should sound similar. These new chips used by the Henriksen are actually quite springy, unless they used them poorly. Originally Posted by Herbie
For a spring sound and a "backup" regular reverb sound, I found the Subecay Spring Theory V1 hard to beat. Never tried V2.Last edited by jorgemg1984; 10-21-2017 at 08:38 AM.
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As for Jack's thread, I still like mt Barber Barb EQ, even more after changing the op amp for a OPA2134. I'm helping Jon Mambo with a new Fender pedal, that sounds quite better than the Barb EQ - we hope it's ready, soon.
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On the cheap, a Tech 21 blonde will get you in the ballpark, maybe even buy you a scorecard and a hot dog.
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Check out the p1 preamp Originally Posted by jzucker
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Am I the only one who finds themselves using not much reverb live? I might use delay for a modern sound but not much reverb.
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I suppose it depends on the room, but I'd agree, at least in most places that are meant to have music, I find reverb is barely necessary. Originally Posted by christianm77
Now, when I play in a dead corner of a loud restaurant...
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i mentioned that in my article. Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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oh, i would have never gotten that out of your original posting! Originally Posted by christianm77
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AND I read it. I'm borderline illiterate pre-coffee Originally Posted by jzucker
i mentioned that in my article.
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