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Between the CC and the P90 was a couple of single coil PUs in the first half of the 1940s. One of them looked a lot like a P90 but was mounted in the bridge position. There were also two others which was longer and mounted diagonally - the one longer and more diagonally than the other. Then came the P90 of which the first ones didn't have adjustable polepieces (if I remember correctly). The "Alnico" or "staple" PUs had individual magnets as polepieces like Strat PUs. They were typically used in the 1950s on the most expensive instruments like the Super400 and the L5. In the early days Wes M. used an L5 with "staple" PUs. (though he also recorded with borrowed instruments).
Originally Posted by ruger9
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08-28-2017 10:08 AM
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Below is a Charlie Christian Pickup. Seems like the discussion of that pickup always deteriorates to a discussion of any and all unrelated single coil blade pickups. As if a discussion of 1958 'Burst Les Pauls would deteriorate into a diatribe on the latest guitars from Epiphone/China...
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It actually did not deteriorate, its nature from the beginning was an open option, and as the OP said: Originally Posted by icr
"I would sorta rather try a whole instrument than install one of the humbucker-ring-mount ones in my Gibson or Sadowsky. But if that's the best option, then maybe."Last edited by GNAPPI; 08-28-2017 at 01:21 PM.
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Exactly. Originally Posted by GNAPPI
And when it comes to things TONE, I only care about how it SOUNDS- it could be built out of matchsticks and if it sounded good, then great. I'm a firm believer today's pickup builders are doing amazing things to get vintage sounds, and if Lollar's (or whoevers) "CC" pickup SOUNDS like the real thing, or even very close, well then... mission accomplished.
Altho in the particular case of the CC, I do understand how it's unorthodox construction might be hard to sonically duplicate with different construction. Ditto the Gibson "staple"/Alnico V and the original Fender Wide Range Humbucker with it's CuNiFe magnets (only ONE builder using actual CuNiFe, but I have read Lollar discussing it IS possible to get the same tone using other magnets... with that ONE builder...)
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there are those that want exact replicas of what was...classic gear
and those that are happy with approximating the look or sound, without getting too involved with design specifics
both valid!
and of course there's the $$$$ aspect...exact repros cost money!!
but these nuances in design and construction do make a difference!!
you can spray an apple orange... but it still isn't an orange
cheers
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I can't speak from experience (I've never played a real CC pickup) but basing my opinion on modern builder's repuatations, I would say a more accurate statement is Originally Posted by neatomic
You can take an apple, replace the pulp and skin with orange pulp and skin, leave only the apple stem... then you've got something that's 95% orange.
Simply "spraying an apple orange" would be a good description of what GFS and Fender do with their WRHBs... all they are is enlarged PAFs, PERIOD. Nothing "wide range" about them. the same cannot be said of good builder's (Lollar, Novack, etc) WRHB repros. I'd love to see a blindfold test with vintage WRHBs (or CCs) up against Lollar WRHBs (or CCs)... I'll bet few could pick out the vintage gear.
All that being said, if a REAL CC, a rusty crusty old CC is WHAT YOU WANT... then by all means.... because if you're that committed, it's likely nothing else will do.Last edited by ruger9; 08-28-2017 at 07:34 PM.
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yeah but i wouldn't wanna eat it!! haha Originally Posted by ruger9
You can take an apple, replace the pulp and skin with orange pulp and skin, leave only the apple stem... then you've got something that's 95% orange.
to each his own..as i said- its all valid..better too many choices than too few (the way it used to be)
cheers
ps- an old school fender wide range pup is beautiful thing...similar to guilds original humbucker..slightly larger than "gibby"humbucker.. results in slightly more unique tone ....Last edited by neatomic; 08-28-2017 at 07:42 PM.
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Well if I learned anything from that cool video it's that Biltoff makes an EXCELLENT pickup! Originally Posted by Fred Archtop
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Agreed, makes me feel even better about my purchases from him. Originally Posted by rlrhett
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More CC Biltoft tone here... Originally Posted by ThatRhythmMan
Cheers.
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What's missing in a lot of the CC demos is the amp. Played through a modern amp, some of what we love about the CC tone in the old recordings is going to be missing, won't it?
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
1000%. Not to mention all the (now) inferior recording techniques, age loss, recording mediums.....
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And the huge downstroke attack of Charlie Christian himself that contributed immensely to his sound.... Originally Posted by ruger9
Cheers.
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And, no doubt, the very heavy gauge strings he used. Originally Posted by Fred Archtop
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remember the first cc pups were made for a wound B...the b string notch that was later cut into the bar was to accomodate the "New" plain B strings!
cheers
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All right, now that you guys had a chance to jaw about it a bit. The best and cheapest way is to come to Chicago, take BigMike out for Japanese and then he'll let you play his L5P all you want.
Nuff Said...
Big
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apparently, we have a winner!!! Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ
#1 answer!!
haha
good stuff
cheers
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Pete sure does - especially mated to a deep bodied 18" Originally Posted by rlrhett
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Fred, you're still the finest "jazz" archtop player I've yet heard on the forum - you swing! Originally Posted by Fred Archtop
And count me in on the list of those who'd love to own a Slaman with a CC!
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I like the 3-point mounted CC Blade pickup. The Colin Cosimni CCUK is reputed to be as faithful as they come. I have the Gibson copies- legend goes, found in a box of old parts, riiiight- in an ES-150CC Reissue and a Super 400CC Reissue, both from 2002 CE. Not even close, in my estimation.
The lowest cost good way would be to take an ES-125 and modify it with a CCUK pup:
Sounds remarkably authentic through a Fender Blues Jr. Tweed!
PS I have been thinking about replacing the Gibson reissues with the CCUK ones for sometime now. Haven't found the cojones for it.Last edited by Jabberwocky; 08-30-2017 at 01:12 AM.
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I have the Pete Biltoft floating CC on my Gretsch G400 Synchromatic.
Fundamentally it really couldn't be more far removed from the original design- only similarity is that it uses 38 gauge wire.
Tonally though it isn't far off - I have compared it to an ES-150; the output is a bit higher but the actual 'tone' is definitely close.
Here's a shot of the guitar w/pickup in action with the big band I play in.
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2bop.
Daniel Slaman's Guitars have become the Nirvana for Jazz Guitarists
If you don't mind the present wait time for a custom build of 2 years
currently. Certainly worth the wait, one of our friends here in the UK
has three, one with a CC, now I am an HB fan, but the tone of the CC
is superlative, but you already know that. I absolutely love the tone
of Fred's L5-C with the floating pickup also.
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That's the best CC I've yet heard! Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
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You should Jabbs ! If the CC Pu you have on your S400 is like mine on my 175CC, they have little to see with a genuine CC sound. Replacement warmly recommended (by a fine guitar tech of course) ! Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
Cheers.
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