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OMFG.......No words.
- 1'30", say what?
- 2'05", Noooooo!
- 3'33", Can you see the support struts? We can.....
- 21'05", Hallelujah, the penny snaps!
Oh dear.
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06-02-2017 03:33 PM
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Good Lord. Aside from everything else, who mounts a P90 style pickup raw on the wood without checking, using a spacer, etc.
This is just horrible.
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Mine looks just like that, without the pickup or the violence.
Be glad this guy didn't go into medicine.
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Wait...did he really cut right through the top braces?
Yuck, bigsby.
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I guess he doesn't think the braces are important. I don't think I'll ask him to install a p90 on any of my archtops.
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Whenever you add a Bigsby be sure to weaken the top as much as possible to avoid any tuning problems. I was amused when he remembered to tidy up the rough ends of what remained of the two top braces.
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Don't try this at home!
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Oooooh man. Also, isn't it standard to sand back and forth the direction of the tailpiece and neck to get the proper curvature? The spacer wasn't fit properly at all - I have never done that so I don't know but for bridges I have always gone the other direction just because of common sense. Would the spacer being flexed like that hold with glue or would it potentially come undone from the stress? I mean, that is not the main concern since he cut through the bracing...but still.
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This video just shows that a tech is not a luthier!
He states that the new nut would be raised for slide. Why spend so much time on the fret dress? And scraping the fingerboard with a blade! What...
I have a really nice Mansano brand Japanese Martin-a-like I bought 35 years ago. I took it to a renowned repair shop in central London for a fret dress. Imagine my horror when I took it home and found that the polishing wheel had left compression marks along the fingerboard. Polishing wheel! That's for lacquer finish!
That was the reason I went back to college to learn instrument repair.
Just recently I was in a music shop where the tech had put slinky 10's on a Guild X150 and didn't (could not) intonate the guitar properly.
Today I was in another music shop where the shop manager insisted I put a Gretsch New Yorker with pickup through an acoustic amp. I politely asked for a conventional guitar amp to be told that the guitar would sound 'thin'. But it has a magnetic pickup and flatwound electric strings. I got my way. On returning he asked how it was. The action was too high and if it were lowered the strings would foul against the pick up. Ah, he said, the neck is probably warped and would need re-setting. Hmm, £550 for that? Nah.
<sigh>
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Oh thanks for sharing this valuable experience from the Internet
I always thought that my Sweet 16 would benefit from a strong P90 !
I'll start tomorrow as I have the full recipe thanks to Jazzbow !
If you guys wish, I'll share this experience with you. (I'll take pics of every step so that this can turn into a good tutorial)
But sorry I'll not touch the frets as they are OK like that for now.
How I love the Internet ! I can learn so many things to do by myself instead of asking to a professional !
Thanks again for sharing Jazzbow
I vote for this thread being the most valuable of the year !
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Honestly, my first thought was if you're dumb enough to ruin a great guitar with a bigsby, you deserve this "lutheir."
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A carpenter's job!
He seems so proud of and so confident about his work too...
Its reminds of this video years ago where the guy was teaching the notes on the mandolin. It went something like this:"Open string, this is an E. Move up one fret and you have Eb, another fret and you have D, then Db, C..." and on and on until he got to the 11th fret "you have F, and back to E on the 1st fret". ????
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That Dremel/Proxxon handheld rotary thingy is the most dangerous thingy to put in a man's hand. He starts getting ideas...When I got my first electric drill, I started making holes in everything. It is a man's thing.
Well, I thought he made some nice neat cuts with his Dremel/Proxxon. I'd just wedge a soundpost under that section to prop it up.
Cut the guy some slack. Gibson kerfs its ES-175 tonebars and how much bracing do kerfed tonebars proffer? Almost next to no structural support. Collapsed arched top. Broken kerfed tonebars. Par for course. They get jacked up and capped.
Directly under the end of the fretboard the tonebars are redundant anyway. That part is inert and close to the neck block, structurally well supported.
I don't see any great harm in what he has done. It is a laminated top, plywood, and plywood is pretty damn strong stuff.
If he had cut the braces near the bridge though I'd agree, bad juju.
Little Jay has an ES-125 with no braces but a soundpost to hold up the top. Does not hurt it.
H'ap'orth of tar, matey.Last edited by Jabberwocky; 06-03-2017 at 03:22 PM.
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Gibson cut the braces on the top of my ES165 to get the HB to fit.
I took about an inch off the ends of my braces on my Epi Emp Reg.
8 years of .014 strings and all is well..
when the braces snap and the tops collapse it is rarely in the area of the pickup.
If this were a vintage instrument I could understand the indignation .. otherwise I am calling no harm no foul.
For the spacer.. Godin use them too..
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Thumbs up to that comment.
I was making a trade with a buddy for his ES-175 and he was shocked when I told him I'll do it if you take that boat anchor off the guitar and give me the original tailpiece. He was shocked he had put all gold hardware on the guitar including a gold bigsby everything down to screws was gold. The guitar is now Bigsby less and everything back to chrome.
He actually did something as bad as that repair guy on the Godin. My buddy put one of those arm riser on the edge like you see some people put on acoustics and said it's just double sided tape he can take it off. He also pinned the bridge using double sided tape. So guitar exchange day comes and he says you might not want the guitar any more, I took the arm rest off and it pulled some finish off the guitar. Huh??? The guy had used automotive double sided tape luckily real small dots of finish and doesn't seems to of gone to the wood. Lesson don't buy or trade archtops with rock guys who do their own work. In the end it is a nice sounding and playing guitar so I'm happy.
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This sounds pretty glorious. Yeah, cut tonebars.
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Dental floss, docbop, dental floss. Waxed. And mint flavoured...just because we can. That's the way to remove those arm-rest thingies or double-side taped stuff stuck to your guitar.
Don't pull off. Break the adhesive bond with sawing action.
I like the Bigsby...on a Gretsch.
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One thing that has always baffled me are Bigsbys on true hollow bodies. Maybe the plywood on the Godins is strong enough to take it, but it seems like it will crush most any top. What am I missing?
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That's what he said he did use dental floss this was strong tape. I took it to my regular repair person (at the time) to have the bridge removed and other work. He had the same issue it took some dots of finish off. Now I just live with it unless you know where to look on the top edge you don't see it and bridge foot covers those missing dots of finish. The repair guy I have now says they could sanded and a little finish to get rid of, but they aren't causing a issue so I'm leaving them alone. Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
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I have taken a shine to wabi-sabi so, yeah, leaving them alone is best. Let the next steward of your ES-175 worry about them.
Yeah, don't buy an archtop from a rocker dude either. It is all a style statement to them rockers.
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I think the pickup would have almost fit without cutting a hole in the top. If the polepiece screws were shorter on the pickup it may have fit within the riser he used.. The problem here is that a wide hole is cut in the sting path. Whenever you cut a hole under the strings the string tension is transferred to the area on either side of the hole. This guitar may or may not hold up to string tension, only time will tell. The concern I would have is that the neck would slowly twist forward. Without any support in the center all the tension is now on the area between the f-holes and the pickup cutout. Plywood is strong but plywood can warp when not properly supported.
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Jabber and Sambooka may have a point: the area is not so critical for the braces. Still, I would have installed a sound post to prevent the top from sinking (actually, I would not have taken the risk and would have left the braces intact).
Ironically, with a riser for the pickup that tall, he probably wouldn't even have needed to cut the braces.
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I don't care if the area is critical for braces or not, 10 minutes of research could have showed this fool how a P-90 is mounted on a Godin Kingpin.
Mr. Clueless will eventually ruin a more expensive guitar. Then he'll hear about it.Last edited by mr. beaumont; 06-03-2017 at 09:03 PM.
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This is how you do it....
Guitar lutherie for fun
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What did I tell ya? Give a man a drill and suffer the consequences...
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