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We need loop pedals that can work as midi slave. I did get this Boss RC 300 to sync to a DAW but it's hardly intuitive. DJs and keyboardists get useful gear and we get nothing.
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05-09-2017 05:04 AM
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Walking away again. Adiós.
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Most of the nursing home gigs I've played have actually paid better than your standard restaurant hit.
Originally Posted by sgosnell
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yep, the same here .... Originally Posted by drbhrb
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Surprise me. I've never encountered one that paid. There must be more upscale nursing homes up north.
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Yeah the ones I'm thinking of call them selves "Assisted Living Communities" or something to that effect. I suppose the snootier version of a nursing home. Originally Posted by sgosnell
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I'm not sure I've ever seen someone use a looper on stage effectively. Either they screw up or overuse it (i.e. simple vamps, long Kenny G type solos, you've probably heard that guy). For those that can use them as a tool to create good and interesting music, more power to you. I use them at home for fun and practice and will be totally impressed by your ability to translate to stage.
As for accompanying a singer, for me it's a guitar and amp with good acoustic sound and focusing on what the singer is doing. I'll be busy enough with mixing the chord voicing's up and making the singer sound their best without worrying about anything else. In a duo it's about the song and the singer; not how dazzling my guitar playing is.
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I think Frisell pulls it off just fine.
If you use one creatively, they're pretty cool. If it's just to lay down chords to solo over, I dunno, kinda boring imho. But if it sounds good, it is good.
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IIRC, the ones I've done around here (SW Florida and it's been a couple years) paid about $50 for an hour and you have to invoice the main office in some godforsaken place and wait a month or six weeks to get your check. Haven't these people ever heard of petty cash? They can be good gigs, though - these folks don't have much to brighten their day and they seem to enjoy it. Originally Posted by drbhrb
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Tried bartering for favours behind the bikeshed with the nuns on this non-paying gig, but they weren't having any of it.
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Virtually all of my gigs are as a duo. Fortunately, the singer is my über talented wife who also plays piano. She's been adjusting her playing so that she's holding down the bass on the keys. In this setting I stick to pretty full chords most of the time that allows her to pull back off the piano some without the bottom dropping out and I'm able to solo with someone else comping. We still only get paid as two though, even though there are three full parts. How's that for added value!!!!
FWIW, I'm not at all a fan of backing tracks or loops. I'll take any arrangement with all live instruments over those any day. The downtown I'm mu city has so many buskers using one of the other of those and I've yet to hear anything I can stand to listen to. I can understand if others don't feel this way though.
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I absolutely love technology and music and embrace anything that might propel human expression into new avenues that were not previously taken. Love the Eurorack synth stuff, love modern performance art, love orchestral new music etc. After listening to all videos in this thread it seems like the most effective musical use of a looper pedal happens with more ostinato compositions, and most tastefully done when the loop is simple or even just a rhythmic pattern. I think the Gilad and Ben video was the most musical as a live interactive jazz performance with two people. They kept performing WITH each other and the looper was a small but tasteful element to the texture - it did not remove the player from the performance. My sense is that using a looper pedal live can cause a "void" in the music. It seems like in most examples the player starts off with something musical, a motif, usually really nice and then the loop is engaged and all of a sudden the player is negotiating a musical "reflection" that is repeated back to them over and over. This seems to lock the player into a kind of hall of mirrors where they are playing off of a reflection of what just occurred and not engaging with the natural arc of music as a linear conversation. In worse case scenarios it seems like a musical form of autism.
There were some examples here where I would have much preferred the guitar accompaniment without the looper pedal. The reasons are I feel there would have been more interaction between musicians, the arrangements would have been more interesting and dynamic, and there would be less superfluous noise in the arrangement if there was no looper. More sound doesn't equal more music. The young duo playing pop/soul stuff seemed like they were off doing their own thing - not even connecting with each other. Both seem very talented. I don't think the extra looping made for a more musical experience. I would have much preferred if they faced each other and he played to her dynamics and vice versa. There were point where neither one of them were playing or singing!
Frisell was playing a soundscape, not really a "tune" per se. He wasn't playing to a loop as much as he was building noise and shaping it through the composition. Perfectly musical but not quite the same context as using a looper in a standard jazz form. More like film score texture soundscape stuff.
what the venue demands is another thing entirely. Performing live, there are always sacrifices and it's rarely perfect. Some shows actually require more "noise". Dancers and drinkers and bar managers love noise. if it's what's required then so be it. In the right context I think the looper can be the right tool for the job. I personally don't think a traditional small ensemble jazz gig is the right context, but I'm willing to be corrected.
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Yeah, they should. Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
American Idol is coming back on the air so we can look forward to more singers and more karoke gadget gigs for the taking. At the same time loop pedals don't have proper midi functionality.
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Originally Posted by Veritas
You're banned, but;
The Beat Buddy. It's a mini-drum machine and has midi support so you cam loop in sync with some loopers. It will work with the Pigtronix Infinity Loop Pedal.
The lack of functioning midi with guitar gear is astounding.
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Off Topic, but the creator of the pedal (David Packouz) was recently played by Miles Teller in 'War Dogs'!! Originally Posted by Stevebol
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... check out this recording: Philip Catherine plays Gilles et Mirona from "guitars two". It all depends what you do with your gear, not what gear you use, IMHO. My gear is great, what I do with it, however...
regards,
Bruno.
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Can someone point me to some videos of a MALE vocalist with a backing guitarist? Most of the jazz duos I see are female vocalists which just seems to work better for some reason. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with a 6'3" hairy legged singer and I'm not sure how to approach it. I do remember a vid of Sinatra doing 'Fly Me To The Moon' (I think) with Tony Mottola playing behind him ---- good stuff!
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Karma! He wears short pants? Originally Posted by Skip Ellis
Good post, BigToe. I go along with a lot of what you're saying, I suppose, though I will say that people seem to get quite a kick out of seeing you layer parts into a full live "composition" right in front of their eyes. Also, and as I implied earlier, loops need to be used subtly and should sound kinda fresh.
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I just ordered this; Originally Posted by sgcim
Singular Sound BeatBuddy Drum Machine Pedal | Sweetwater
It's primitive in some ways but they have the right idea. We need drum machines made specifically for guitarists and bass players. It works with some loop pedals.
All this stuff amounts to karoke but that's the world we live in.
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Technology obviously has it's place and is fine with me no matter what it may be. The catch is when the technology either dumbs down the content (conversation,music or other wise.) I remember when Lynn Drum machines came in and thought wow where's the SOUL?
And a great example of that is almost any James Brown track vs. the later 1980's Michael Jackson tracks. James Brown still holds up where as the Michael Jackson tracks sound dated and over produced. A better of technology being used well would be Jimi Hendrix, Adrien Belew (Elephant Talk w/ King Crimson) where they use the sounds as live players.
I think as music has evolved I'm afraid we accept incredibly bad harmony as well as inventive melody. Rhythm is just fine since Rap is so big!
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I just ordered the Beatbuddy today but many of us have needed something like this for a long time. It seems to be mostly rockers using it. Originally Posted by DanOwens
It's ALL midi and that means flexibility.
For some reason the drum hits were recorded really loud at least for rock kits. Still, it looks like an ingenious device. I'd like to see some development as far as jazz, House, EDM, Afro House, etc...
I'm pretty sure you can trigger transitions, fills, outtros', so it's good for jamming.
Also, it will sync with some loop pedals.
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