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I've tried the special and the studio version, but was not fan of either .. pity, cos it was a screaming deal for the studio.
Originally Posted by Robertkoa
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01-08-2018 05:26 PM
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The LP sounded Phatter on Neck PU than the ES 275
the Musician Friend guy demo'd but hard to tell with the A.D.D. Short Skip Demos ...lol.
He made the ES 275 sound kind of thin and brittle didn't he ?
Are you saying that the Blue Semi Hollow LP is under $ 800 ?
People say Online Demos are not that helpful but I find that at least it shows me some things that a Guitar can do .
I wish the Demo above spent more time on Neck cleans ....Last edited by Robertkoa; 01-09-2018 at 08:39 AM.
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From an ecological/environmental perspective, I MUCH prefer their approach to the PRS Hollowbody, where nearly the entire interior of the body is routed out wasted mahogany. For the ES-LP it looks like they can cut a bunch of center blocks intertwined from the same plank with minimal waste. Originally Posted by Lobomov
They have a fairly small mahogany centerblock
PRS method:
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Gibson uses the same or similar wasteful mahogany routing method as PRS for their CS336/356 and Johnny A. Signature models.
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Gibson's Midtown, Vegas, Blueshawk, Pat Martino, some LP "chambered" models and likely others have used the same construction method. I like them all especially the Vegas but alas, none but perhaps some of the LP's have proven to be popular with players. Originally Posted by Woody Sound
From an ecological/environmental perspective, I MUCH prefer their approach to the PRS Hollowbody, where nearly the entire interior of the body is routed out wasted mahogany. For the ES-LP it looks like they can cut a bunch of center blocks intertwined from the same plank with minimal waste.
PRS method:
Regarding the preference for the PRS...Since many Gibbys have been made with the same construction method and players turned up their noses at them, is there something about their process that is / was superior to models that Gibson made? Had you tried any of the Gibson models above that you found lacking?
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Re' the routing they may find a use for the wood in making MDF or some such composite material. Most wood that is used in manufacturing is not wasted per se. As long as it's not an endangered wood, I don't see a big problem.
JMO I wonder if the chambered solid bodies don't behave similar to their non-chambered counterparts, just less weight. It's been pointed out many times that a thinline Tele doesn't really sound warmer or more "airy" than a regular Tele. This may be due to the fact that the chambers aren't really participating in air movement or enhancing vibration of a relatively thick top, whereas a true archtop has a thin vibrating surface and back under tension, even with a center block. Of course having a fixed TOM bridge has a big effect on tone too.
I think that the balsa block on the 135 reduces feedback but has less sustain than other woods, therefore (again, IMO) the 135 has a warmer more traditional hollow body sound, with a bit more sustain than a fully hollow thinline. I would describe the tone of mine as "175 lite."
BTW the Godin Premiere uses an arched center block that does what's described above--reduces weight and allows for more air movement.
Anyway, that's a nice looking guitar, and really you are making me GAS for something I don't really need. ;-)
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I know this instrument doesn't qualify as a 'jazz' box as much as most discussed here but I've been drawn to this guitar, mostly for is smaller size, and the ability to also sound like a regular les paul.
In particular, I'm wondering if the Epiphone version would be remarkably different than the Gibson version. I'm sure the Gibson would have a nicer selection of wood but by and large the seem very similar (laminated top, mahogany back and sides). Perhaps the electronics isn't as good but they can easily be swapped. Not sure if the Epi neck is one piece or not (or if that matters).
Is it worth it to go with the Gibson brand?
Any general thoughts on this guitar in particular?
Thanks
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I recently bought an epiphone LP. It was a copy of a 1955 deluxe and was a pretty dead on copy with Gibson USA electronics, *except* for the string spacing at the nut, which was several mm tighter than standard Gibson (string spacing at the bridge was dead on). I had the nut replaced, and don't see any QC issues at all.
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My experience is that neither this guitar nor the chambered Les Pauls sound like a Les Paul exactly. They have their own sound. And a real Gibson is head and sholders above a similar Epi. You get what you pay for.....
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I have the Epiphone version and I love it. I have the Florentine model with the splittable coils. It is probably the most versatile guitar that I own. Originally Posted by rutledj
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The florentines are chambered les pauls, while the es-les pauls are es-style construction. A hollowbody with a fairly small centerblock. The look the same, but are quite different in nature. Originally Posted by Doublea A
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I have a 2015 Gibson ES LP, bought from Chicago Music Exchange during their "floor model" sale. It's become my favorite non-archtop electric guitar.
The Memphis Historic Spec (MHS) pickups are terrific, possibly the key to this guitar's great tone, and you'll miss out on that if you buy an Epiphone. These pickups appear very difficult to get after-market, so I'd never count on retrofitting.
The ES LP is a bit more ES-335 than Les Paul, but those two are so similar and cover the same basic ground anyway, so it's hard to say which is its primary personality. Basically I love everything about the guitar, and its jazz tone is great too. It has a hollow-body sound with great sustain and extra dynamics.
Also, the light weight is a pleasure - and it is not neck heavy at all. It balances perfectly. I'm a big fan, obviously.
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Agreed! Originally Posted by rpguitar
I happen to have both the up level lemon burst with MHS pups and a "lowly" LP-ES "special" which has the 57's installed and the 57's definitely do not disappoint.
If it were a toss up and looks were less important than price the LP-ES special is one of the best deals around.
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I've heard it said that you have a progression of tone from:
ES-335
ES-339
ES-Les Paul
Les Paul
With the ES-LP bridging the gap between the 339 and the Les Paul.
I have a one of the ES-LP Special models, the super stripped down version of the ES-LP. Maybe the more expensive models are not like this, but I do not see it filling the gap that way. I don't think it is LP-like at all. It is okay unto itself, sounds good and plays nice, and feels nice, but it doesn't fill a need for me. For me, a 339 is a compromise to a 335 and likewise doesn't fill a need. I go for what the sound and play are like and what they do for me. I'm not sensitive to size and weight. So these in-between models are just not doing it for me. I bought the ES-LP because of a fantastic deal gave me a chance to try it out. I need to play it more to be sure, but so far, it is just not cutting it for me.
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This mirrors my exact experience with my ES-LP. I love the sound of a 335 but don’t like the look and feel. It’s just not my thing. The ES-LP fills that sonic area for me. I also agree that it’s not exactly like a traditional LP but enough to be a blast. It loves my Marshall! When I want it to, my ES-LP can produce feedback on pitch wherever I am playing on the fretboard. The combo of the small semi-hollow body with the MHS pickups just works. Clean or dirty, it sounds great. I love a good solid body LP as much as the next guy, but my ES-LP rocks and is light as a feather. Originally Posted by rpguitar
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I was kind of in the same boat as you. I was contemplating spending quite a bit of money on a used Memphis ES LP, but couldn't find one locally. I ended up getting the Epi version at a fraction of the cost of the Gibson. So far I'm pretty impressed with it. The fit, finish, and playability are what I've come to expect from Chinese cnc'd Epihone's lately, which is very good. There are no flaws I can find and the fret work is very nice. The only questionable part of the guitar for me was the fret board finish, which seemed to have some sort of filler or sealer on it that initially made it very sticky. It drove me nuts when I first got it and I almost sent it back, but after treating it with lemon oil and playing it for a while, the stickiness is all gone. Originally Posted by rutledj
The hardware is all decent and I really like the stock Probucker pickups. They have quite a bit of range and are not in the least bit muddy.
Sound wise, it's a very versatile guitar and much closer to an LP than a 335, IMO. I bought it primarily as a lighter weight (6.5 lbs) alternative to a regular LP and for me it checks that box very well.
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Sweet.
I was thinking about the Epiphone ES LP a few months ago, people scared me away with neg reviews. But, hey...it's a cheaper alternative.
I ended up buying nothing.
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There's not a ton of reviews on it out there, but this vid pretty accurately sums it up I think. For me it's a keeper. With a street price of under $600 new, it's not a huge gamble. Originally Posted by Endorphins
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Originally Posted by Endorphins
It doesn't have to be hardly any gamble (at most return shipping) if one buys from a place with a good return policy. I bought an Gibson ES-LP Studio from CME with confidence because of their return policy. I didn't really think I had a place for it between 335s and LPs. But I wanted to "see for myself" and not just presume. And so far, it appears that it doesn't really have a place for me. Nice, and interesting, but it is just not for me. But in this case, I paid so little for it, I'll just sell it later (for a little more than I paid, I figure) instead of returning it. Originally Posted by JSP737
But I'm still really glad I bought it to check out, if that makes any sense.
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I have one and, no it's not neck heavy
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i have one, mine is not neck heavy Originally Posted by bluznjazz
very comfortable to play, standing or sitting
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When I saw him a few years ago he was playing a Gibson Howard Roberts Fusion which is quite different from a regular Howard Roberts and resembles the Les Paul a bit. Originally Posted by Blues Fuse
1997 Gibson Howard Roberts Fusion - Ebony - GuitarPoint
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