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That epi doesn't have any thunk. On the epi clip, you can hear an extended high freq and missing mid frequency that comes through on peerless clip. Tone settings don't have anything to do with thunk. You can hear thunk throughout the entire tonal range of the tone control because thunk is about midrange, not treble. So we'll have to agree to disagree.
Originally Posted by ESCC
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08-12-2016 12:19 PM
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Here's a clip of a gibson 175 with thunk. You can even hear the thunk when he's playing with his thumb. The 175 doesn't have that quality to it.
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What do you think about this?
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it's a bit meh. Don't hear a lot of thunk or character in that tone.
Originally Posted by carlescountry
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What about
- Godin 5th Avenue CW HB (2x humbuckers), around $1000
- Godin 5th Avenue Composer (1x humbucker), around $1200
- Godin 5th Avenue CW Kingpin (2x P90s), around $1000
- Ibanez PM2, around $1000
There are also a model in the Godin line with a single P90 and no cutaway for around $700
(prices from memory)
They don't look like ES175s, but they might satisfy the OP's tone quest.
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couldn't find a single note jazz clip of the godin to compare. The clips I did hear were bright. The PM2 is a bright guitar and very feedback prone like the higher end ibanez PM guitars. They don't sound much like 175s though they do have some thunk.
For some reason, many of the ibanez archtops are much more prone to feedback than their gibson counterparts...I might consider the PM2 if it had 2 pickups.
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Considering the tone of these guitars based on youtube clips can be misleading.
I think this is a pretty good representation of what the Godin can actually sound like. You'll hear a certain amount of thunk on the low strings.Last edited by mr. beaumont; 08-12-2016 at 12:45 PM.
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Thunk has nothing to do with the tone settings, I agree, the Sunsert has no thunk, just turned down tone. The EPI is hinting towards thunk to a greater degree. Originally Posted by agentsmith
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Funny , cause the Epiphone Premium I am playing clearly has a 'thunk' to it.
I played the Gibson 175 and the Epi 175 sided by side @ GC before I bought the Epi
The Epi 'thunk' was not as prominent but it definitely had the same "family trait".
So I guess we aren't hearing he same thing, but that is not unusual....ears can be funny things...
I have the Ibanez PM2 as well and it is a phenomenal guitar with a darker tone --well built and very easy to play
(Get the 15% coupon from GC and pay $850.00)
but does not sound like the 175. it does however resemble my Sadowsky JH in some ways.
(but on a lesser scale- i.e. notes are not as clearly defined as the Sadowsky but that is what makes it a Sadowsky JH ! and more $$$$)Last edited by jazzimprov; 08-12-2016 at 04:39 PM.
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The Seventy Seven hawk series is quite good, well built and sounds quite 175 like. There are a few YT clips but only of the thinline version. I can tell you from the ones Ive sold, the Fat version is very much 175. Bob
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Can definitely hear the thunk, even with an acoustic hint. Originally Posted by agentsmith
Joe Pass also has thunk with his fingers, thunk is very dependant on the instrument and most imports I have heard so far lack any thunk.
I would say if you are a thunk fan stay within Gibson, even George Benson with his Ibanez while sounding good rarely has any thunk.
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Jack Zucker, of the clip posted above, was very fond of the Aria Herb Ellis model, saying it was almost every bit the ES175. It was a variant of the Aria Pro II FA70. I had one, and though I sold it, it wasn't for lack of "thunk." It was pretty meaty and played very nicely.
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I had a lawsuit Ibanez years ago that, like an idiot, I sold. Extremely nice guitar.
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Originally Posted by Top of the Arch!
The OP is looking for a guitar he can travel with that's in the $1K range.
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Last edited by Jabberwocky; 08-12-2016 at 03:49 PM.
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How the hell did I miss that? Thanks for pointing that out. .... never mind. Bob Originally Posted by Naquat
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"thunk" has as much to do with strings (type & age), set up and type of bridge/tailpiece... as the model of guitar...an es-175 with slinky cobalt rounds, low action and a nickel tune-a-matic is gonna have way less thunk than one with some older heavy nickel flatwounds, a rosewood bridge and higher action...even the tailpiece angle is a big factor
thunk is a state of mind..you gotta hear it in your head & chase it into your guitar
hah
cheers
ps- to the op...look for the now discontinued epi zephyr regent..single neck pup 175 style..well under a grand, used..very highly regardedLast edited by neatomic; 08-12-2016 at 04:29 PM. Reason: ps-
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Thunk has nothing to do with strings or setup, it is all about the instrument and the player. Thunk can be obscured by the wrong strings, but strings will never add thunk to a thunkless guitar, imo.
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The thunkiest guitars I ever had were an ES-175 and an ES-125. They thunked like mad...but less than an ES-350 (50s model with 25-1/5" scale, not the short-scale model). The Tal Farlow guitar--based on the 350--is also a guitar that thunks like crazy.
Closest to a ES-175? I would say that the Greco, Ibanez, Bradley, and other copies from the 70s were the closest, followed by the more recent Epiphone copies.
Although not a copy per se, the Heritage H575 is one heck of a guitar.
This opinion is going to get me into trouble: The Gibson ES-175 was built from 1949-1971. The best copies of it are the Gibson ES-175 built from 1972-present, with some variation for differences in the faithfulness of the copy over the decades from the 70s to the present. The current copies from Gibson are the most faithful, but the wood isn't as seasoned or as good to begin with as it was when Gibson was building guitars in earlier periods. Gibson, however, does remarkably well, all things considered.
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And, yes, you can make the case that Fender guitars were made from 1950-1965. The best copies were Fender brand made from 1965-the present. The most faithful copies were made from about 1966-1971 and more recently by the Custom Shop. Some pretty good copies were made by Fender brand from about 1972-1983. Perfectly serviceable copies were made subsequently by Fender, Corona, Mexico, Japan, etc. There was something about Fullerton, however.
GREAT copies have been made for years at G&L. On a smaller scale, the folks at Suhr, Nash, and a few other places are doing amazing work, too. And, of course, the same folks who turned out the Geco, Ibanez, Memphis, Aria, etc., copies of the Gibson guitars in the 70s and beyond were busy crafting some neat Fender-ish stuff, too. Especially, Fernandez.
Just sayin'
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the only heritage with thunk I have played is the 550 but it's got the weird waffle bracing so it doesn't respond the same way
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never considered the former 2 as separate from the latter 2!! haha Originally Posted by ESCC
cheers
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interestingly enough , the gibson ES-150DC also has the same waffle bracing as the heritage 550. I'm guessing 550 is a play on 150
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Laminated Gibson at its best
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I'm going to disagree with you on several counts. The greco and ibanez 175 copies are mediocre with their spliced together neck heels and such. Definitely a step or two down the rung. Bradley is junk. They were authorized for Veneman music in the DC area (i'm in herndon VA) and were crap guitars. The epiphone copies weren't even copies until recently. They had maple necks until the premium series. Originally Posted by Greentone
The heritage 575 is a solid top and has no thunk and sounds nothing like a 175. And the early '70s gibsons were already copies with their 3pc necks. The late '80s 175s as in one of the videos I posted sounds very good but I agree it's not as resonant as the early '70s which were not as resonant as even a late '60s 175 which wasn't as resonant as a '50s 175, some of which had solid tops.
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