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https://www.archtop.com/ac_06ES_175P.html
Originally Posted by Naquat
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07-21-2016 03:20 PM
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175P ? Nice Jabberwocky, according to the site it was a limited production instrument and quickly became a collector's guitar, which means Big $$$. But it's nice to see and who knows what pops up.
Thanks the post.
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Big $$$$$? Naah. I got mine used for under $2450, an ES-175P Natural. The last one, a Natural like mine, I spotted sold for under $2250. They're out there although often separated from their faux alligator cases.
http://www.niconico-guitars.com/html...roduct_id=1254Last edited by Jabberwocky; 07-21-2016 at 10:42 PM.
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Lawson - In my opinion the 1999 165 sounded noticeably better; and you seemed more comfortable playing it.
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none of the 175 style guitars sound anything like a real 175. Not the tokai, not the ibanez, not the greco, not the eastman, not the holst, not the benedetto, not the painter. If you want a real 175, get a gibson. IMO, they have gotten progressively less acoustic and more electric sounding as time goes on so a new one is unlikely to get the vibe you hear on old Jim Hall, Joe Pass or Pat Metheny albums.
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I also realize that even live recordings are subject to some processing whether it be EQ, Reverb, Compression etc. so unless one attends a live concert and is up close or in a small club we really don't know what the original sound was.
That being said many of us strive to get as close as we can to "that sound" or what ever sound we hear in our heads. LOL
Funny but many years ago I actually owned a black Gibson ES-175. Didn't bond with it and sold it. That was in the mid 70's so I'm guess the guitar was early 70's because I purchased it used, I think for around $350 or so? Hey back then you could sometimes find Pre-CBS Strat's for $250. I still have a 1962 Jazzmaster although not all of the parts are original. It needs a lot of work because my friend stripped it before I got back in the 70's and it has a really great neck. But I digress.
Thanks for all the input so far….it's making me more enthusiastic about getting a jazz axe.
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Originally Posted by agentsmith
I hear you but…..check out this post #19. The Heritage H575 looks and sounds very very nice. Although the poster does say it's recorded direct we don't know what processing is on the recording.
Heritage Guitars - Anyone?
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Originally Posted by agentsmith
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Very nice! What year is the guitar? Super lovely tone and playing. Originally Posted by 999369
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I'm sorry is not me ( video ) Originally Posted by jbucklin
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Been awhile since I was on this site. Saw this thread and checked it out. Comments seem to run the same but I thought I'd throw in my own.
I can't remember exactly but I'd estimate I've owned, oh, maybe 20 E's-175s over my 62-year span of living. It's the go-to model of choice for me when it's jazz or standards work. I like them a lot. I think I've had pretty much every variant of the model. Older, newer, one pickup, two pickup, L4CES's, Epi Howard Roberts, etc.
I don't mention that to brag. Heck, I'm too old for that. I mention it because I've learned that every guitar is different. Every single 175 I've owned had its own character or personality, if you will. I once heard an analogy that I thought was true. That is, getting a guitar is like a relationship with a gal. Sometimes you meet one, you think she's "the one" and it fizzles out within 6 weeks. Sometimes you meet one and it just feels comfortable from the start...and stays that way. Sometimes you meet one, think "no way", and it somehow works out.
The point is I think one has to quit obsessing or worrying about a model's details. Just sit down and play it. Do you feel a "connection"? Is there something there? If so, great. Take it for a spin or date. You'll know eventually whether it's "the one" or a friend you'll want to keep.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to whether a 175 is vintage or "VOS" or whatever. Heck, I once had a 1959 blonde 175D with PAF's, but no matter how much I played it I couldn't feel that "connection". Sold it, bought two others. Last, my main gigging workhorse is a 95'. How about that.
Get one you like, find out if the relationship gets better after 6 weeks. If it does, great. If not, move on to another.
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That's probably the wisest post on this thread.
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I scored a VOS last month and really dig it, so much so that I'm thinking about swapping the pickup and pots out in my sadowsky JH.... Seems a bit mid rangey and slightly muddy by comparison.
Check out the early 70's 175s... Mahogany necks for at least the first 1/3 of the 70's, slightly less attractive burst, but supposed to be very nice and in the lower to mid $2000's with some wear and tear.
I haven't played more than a few 175's, but they do have a sound all their own
... happy hunting!
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Right on. Even the 3-piece maple necked ES-175 has that intrinsic ES-175ness once it is plugged in. I try to make each one that I find work for my playing needs rather than quibbling over how "they made them better in the 50s." An ES-175 will not be my first choice for an acoustic archtop. Even the highly vaunted 50s ES-175 did not have a good acoustic tone. Originally Posted by yebdox
...I haven't played more than a few 175's, but they do have a sound all their own ... happy hunting!
Great advice. Great thing about the ES-175 is that there are so many out there. You gotta try them. Every ES-175 sounds like an ES-175 once it is plugged in, even the much derided Norlin era ones. Originally Posted by ArchieTop
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When was the Norlin era?
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I've been gone for a while but I played an Epiphone ES-175 Premium today. It looked great (natural), sounded great but I just didn't bond with the guitar.
I've read another post on this site where the poster said an ES-175 (not sure if it was a Gibson or Epi) was a bit laborious to play. That's how this one felt. I'm used to playing electric and acoustic so I doubt it was the string gauge which I believe was original. It was a new guitar returned to a local GC from an online purchase.
It would seem like work to change my picking technique to play this guitar. Strange because the action was good but….it didn't do it for me.
The search continues. I may expand it to Heritage and Peerless as well.
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Originally Posted by jbucklin
1969 - 1986
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As a guy with a Heritage 575 and a Sadowsky Jim Hall but no 175 (unfortunately), I'm probably the wrong cat to point anything out, but if I was in the market for an ES-175 for under $2K I would definitely look at this '93 on Reverb.
Caveat: No connection to the seller, buyer beware, it's just something I saw, etc.
I just thought this one looked pretty sweet for the cabbage. Dig the sunburst.
https://reverb.com/item/2568231-1993-gibson-es-175
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"Including a well repaired neck break" Originally Posted by Flat
As a guy with a Heritage 575 and a Sadowsky Jim Hall but no 175 (unfortunately), I'm probably the wrong cat to point anything out, but if I was in the market for an ES-175 for under $2K I would definitely look at this '93 on Reverb.
Caveat: No connection to the seller, buyer beware, it's just something I saw, etc.
I just thought this one looked pretty sweet for the cabbage. Dig the sunburst.
https://reverb.com/item/2568231-1993-gibson-es-175
Wondered why it was so in expensive.
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In the words of the late, great Emily Litella, "Never mind."
Thanks for catching that, 55bar!
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The 175D guitars from the 90s are in general good deals. They are, IMO, a bit gaudy (lots of flame that Gibson frankly never used on the 175 line until then--it was always the Plymouth Valiant of jazz guitars...functional, reliable, sound, and very good). However, the 90s 175s _sound_ and _play_ incredibly well. No turkeys there.
The best buys are to be found in the maple-necked (with volute) 175Ds from the 70s. People just turn up their noses at Norlin-era guitars with volutes. Well, some of the really good sounding and playing 175s are the Norlin guitars with volutes. So, let other people's prejudices be your good fortune.
If you have some wiggle room in your budget, get a 60s 175. They sound just like Joe Pass' guitar and play just like it. Even if the PAF pickups have been swapped out, you can get some excellent pickups that sound just like them for small green.
Enjoy the search. The ES-175 is well worth it.
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First off, while a great guitar, the 575 is nothing like a 175.
Next up as was stated by archietop find a 175 you connect with. Of ALL the 175's I played I only found two including the one I have that I liked enough to pay dead Presidents for.
Thats the problem though, finding enough 175's to play to make an intelligrnt decision without having to buy several and churn though them to find one you want to keep.
I've said this before, the funny thing about 175's is... the one you find and LOVE, someone else did NOT want it.
PS. If I could NOT have a 175 I would have no problem playing a 1990's Epi Joe Pass. I know a LOT if not most players would poo pooh this comment but I have 3 early Emperors that are superb in every respect as well as several other upscale Gibsons for reference.Last edited by GNAPPI; 08-09-2016 at 04:15 AM.
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if you get a new one you're not getting one someone else has failed to bond with...
i did my first five years of playing out on a new early nineties 175 - i never liked it. but i didn't e.g. know that to reduce boominess and feedback issues one needs to lower the bass side of the neck pickup and take out bass and mid on the amp. (how did i not know that? well there were no 'places' like this in the early nineties for one thing)
i replaced it with an L4 that i loved then because it was SO dark and mellow. now i want a 175 because it is not so dark and mellow and has real cut built into the sound - and i don't want an L4 for the same reason (i.e. because it lacks the cut).
and i've always been put off by the fact that you need to try lots of different ones. i had a perfect early fifties 175 that i gladly gave up for a new sadowsky jim hall. but i wouldn't do that now - again the jh was too dull and mellow and dark for my current needs.
i am very reluctant to enter into a long buying/selling process - but i suppose if you end up with a really good example of the instrument that's quite a prize. and of course they're relatively easy to sell - aren't they?
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