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    The opposite of seller's remorse I guess is the duds we have all had.

    Mine were.

    A white 60's SG Custom. It was a bear to play and nothing I could do would make it sound right. It was sold and I never looked back.

    Next up was a pair of mid 50's Les Paul Customs. I bought the second one believing the first was a fluke, a natural dud. Both played great but were HEAVY and sound was blah.

    I removed the bridge pups from them and replaced them with late 50's LP junior pups and dumped them.

    Those 50's pups I pulled are still with me and noisy as hell but they sound GREAT in everything else I put them in.

    So... what are the dud guitars you folks were happy to see gone?
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    Very interesting subject here. There were guitars in particular I was glad to get rid of. The first was a 1963 Byrdland with the Florentine cutaway. It had two PAFs and sounded great. Why then would I want to get rid of such a pearl? It wan't comfortable to play at a ll. I found out that during the early 60s, not only did they make the neck shorter but they made it narrower. Even with my small hands, my fingers kept on bumping into each other. After that period, they brought the neck back to 1 11/16". The second guitar was a Rickenbacker 369, or at least I think that was the number. It also had a super narrow neck but I also couldn't get this thing to intonate at all. Why did I buy it? It looked so cool. There were others I sold but I was never as glad to get rid of them as those two.

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    Hmm? My mid-60s SG Custom was a super guitar. My Les Paul was an early 70s model that had two P90s, but wasn't a "Pro"--it pre-dated those. Both guitars were pretty darned nice, however, and I regret parting with them.

    I can't think of any guitar I've sold that I wouldn't GLADLY have back. My B-neck Strat ('65) and Telecaster ('69) were too narrow for my current preferences. Nonetheless, I'd quickly take them back. I do prefer the C-neck ones ('68 Strat, '83 Tele), however.

    Even my old Harmony H72 flat top I'd take back. It was plain but had a great sound.

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    I wasn't too crazy about my Epi ES-175. I'm sure the high end ones are fabulous, but that one was just kind of cheap and plinky sounding.

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    Epiphone Emperor Regent.

    Got it when I was starting to get seriously into jazz, thought I needed a "jazz box." Had all the look, and nothing of the everything else. Took playing better guitars to realize it, though.

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    In the early 80's I bought a Vantage VS650 that I really wanted. When I took it home and plugged it in, it was almost immediate that I realized this guitar was not for me. In a band setting, no matter what I did, I couldn't get it to be heard. Its thin tone just died in the mix.
    I sold it and Bought a Guild S300d. It was like night and day. The Guitar transformed my playing. I loved that guitar. Finally, the lead guitar player was playing solos that people could actually hear..

    But a Gibson ES335 pranced into my life soon thereafter and The Guild was launched.

    Bottom line, IF a guitar that I've sold was NOT an archtop, Then I was and still am glad I got rid of it.

    JD

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    Modern Gibson L-7C from Bozeman. Bought it used from Guitar Center. It always buzzed no matter how much set up work went into it and it was a lousy acoustic guitar. When the top started to cave in, it went back to GC as a trade in. That was one of the only guitars I lost a lot of money on, but I was glad to see it go.

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    Godin fifth avenue Kingpin. Never bonded with it. Plinky acoustic sound, uncomfortable to play (for me), humming plugged in, thin sounding ...

    likewise, Godin Icon convertible. 1000 sounds, master of none, no sustain, uncomfortable neck joint. Was happy to see it go.

    Godin exit 22, generic sounding hybrid Strat/LP entry level guitar (pretty though). Very thin neck. Not for me in the end.

    Godin Multiacc Nylon string. No acoustic sound and harsh, nasty thin piezo sound plugged in. Neck too D shaped for me. Action not right. Not a pleasure to play.

    Epi ES 175. nothing really wrong with it but it felt cheap, plasticky and bulky after I got a Gibson.

    All very personal of course and many of these guitars work perfectly for others, just not me.

    Got rid of all of these and another one (Godin multiacc Jazz) that I would have enjoyed to keep when I got my S400. Never looked back. One day I want to have a nice Nylon string guitar though.

    Cheers,
    Frank

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    I also learned to despise a late 60s early 70s SG. The guy I sold it to loved it though.

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    I was disappointed in my PRS archtop ... such a beautiful and great playing guitar, but it just didn't hold up to the tone of my Gibbies IMHO .... would have been nice to keep it, it was still a nice sounding guitar .... but selling it helped finance my L5WES .....

    FED EX ended up owning that PRS Archtop .. they managed to crack the top during shipping ... took a few weeks, but they finally paid up and I was able to reimburse the poor guy who bought it from me


    I also had a Schecter strat .... this guitar really sounded great when you matched it up to the right strings .... but very heavy ... solid Padouk body and a rosewood neck .... and one of the early US made Schecters

    My main complaint wasn't with the Schecter itself, but that I had traded a 70s era strat on it and I figured I had traded away 1500 or 2000 dollars worth of guitar on a 500 guitar ..... fortunately a Schecter fan contacted me from TGP and offered me $2500 .... I think we were both happy with that price ... I suspect the guitar is worth more in the serious Schecter community

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    i had a '72 Strat that a friend gave to me when he decided to stop playing. It was a complete mess. The neck pocket was loose, and no matter how much you tightened the bolts, the neck still shifted around. The frets were the old-style skinny Fender frets (which I can't stand). There was something wrong with the wiring, so it buzzed like crazy. The pickups sounded awful, and every piece of metal on it was rusty. I tried to bring it to rehearsals and gigs a few times, but gave up.because it was so terrible. And the portions were SO small ... oops, wrong joke. Eventually, my friend decided to sell it, and offered to me for (IIRC) about $200. I said no thanks, and gave it back, glad to get it out of my closet. Another friend wound up buying it, and spent many hundreds more repairing/replacing everything and refinishing it, whereupon it was stolen. I pity the thief.

    John

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    A Seagull electro acoustic mini jumbo Maritime Spruce with QII electronics.
    Superb instrument with a great tone but I could never bound with the 1.8 nut width even if I wish I could, a reminder of at least reading the spec more closely when buying online since you can't test drive it before...
    An Epiphone Sheraton II I did test drive before buying but still never bound with the big D shaped neck.
    Made me realized semis are not my cup of tea as they sound too close to a solid top.
    My SG might also go at some point, it has a 50s round style neck and I miss too much the 60s slim style.
    I am very picky with neck.
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    early '90's es-175D. very heavy boat anchor and buzz machine.

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    A '76 blonde Ibanez L5. It showed up at a store I taught at, I thought it was cool at first but never felt satisfied with the feel or sound. Didn't play it for years and sold it to a friend who wanted it.

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    one that tops them all was my Travis Bean TB1000

    way too heavy, very clumsy looking guitar, with an ice cold feeling neck, that would not hold tune

    bought it in 1990 at 600 sold it at the same and I was so glad

    I am a collector (there ! i said it !) but I have no clue why these have become collectable and why people are paying 7000 for them now

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    Well I guess we all have our downs...

    As for me, I am not exclusively into jazz, but also into songwriting/americana. 4 years ago I jumped on a wonderful Yairi cutaway flatop I found in Kyoto. I do really love Yairi handcrafted guitars. They usually can stand against Martins for 1/3 of the price.

    That guitar was absolutely gorgeous, and the sound, when plugged, man, was just like waterfalls.

    Then, back home, I was more and more disapointed. Thin sound, no balance between trebles and basses. And this piezo sound...unbearable. I let her go.

    Just a fews reminders of her cold beauty...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankLearns
    Godin fifth avenue Kingpin. Never bonded with it. Plinky acoustic sound, uncomfortable to play (for me), humming plugged in, thin sounding ...

    likewise, Godin Icon convertible. 1000 sounds, master of none, no sustain, uncomfortable neck joint. Was happy to see it go.

    Godin exit 22, generic sounding hybrid Strat/LP entry level guitar (pretty though). Very thin neck. Not for me in the end.

    Godin Multiacc Nylon string. No acoustic sound and harsh, nasty thin piezo sound plugged in. Neck too D shaped for me. Action not right. Not a pleasure to play.

    Got rid of all of these and another one (Godin multiacc Jazz) that I would have enjoyed to keep when I got my S400.
    Do you have a Godin problem??

    JK.

    The Kingpin is one of the guitars I REGRET selling, so much so that I got a 5th Avenue acoustic and put a floater on it just for something a little different. It is one of the most comfortable for me to play. YMMV, of course.

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    ahem, no, no Godin problem any longer

    I was into their stuff for a while but eventually came to the conclusion that they're not for me.
    I liked the Multiacc Jazz but the only one I kept is the Montreal, which is a nice guitar.

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    Telecaster. I always thought that Tele's were ugly, but I thought that I could live with it. As it turns out, I couldn't. I also thought that the guitar was uncomfortable, heavy and didn't balance well. Getting rid of it was one of the happiest days of my life. I used the sale proceeds to buy an Ibanez Artcore, and I couldn't be happier.

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    '70s dark burst ES175... damn the thing was heavy and dead sounding.
    Hated It !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankLearns
    ahem, no, no Godin problem any longer
    I think the thing about the Godins that some people find offputting is the flat (16") fretboard radius. It could feel weird and awkward if you are used to tighter radii. I played classical guitar for many years, so the flatter radius feels really nice to me.

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    1989 Gibson ES 175
    Samick JZ2
    Route 101 Strat shaped object

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    This is tricky... I had Guild Starfire 3 from the 90's, and at first I thought this is it, what a great tone, sustain, look... The problem was the neck! It was the most uncomfortable neck I ever played, my left hand developed cramps pretty soon, to the point I couln't hold a fork, it got so worn out and weak. Never before or after I had this problem. The neck just felt wide, the radius flat, and the profile was kinda thin... So I was glad when I sold it, but to this day I wish I could get the same guitar but with narrower neck, tighter radius,

    just like the 60' s Guilds I play and enjoy now! Only I miss that humbucker sound....

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    A 67 L5 CES with a florentine cutaway. The high register was weak and i was struggling to be able to "cut" through the bandsound for close to ten years. Didn't know any better until i found another one which was way different. L5's where kind of rare here in the eighties so comparison was hardly possible.

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    Gibson 1964 ES330 with Bigsby, bought it because it was a vintage Gibson from the 60s.
    Repaired headstock, microphonic P-90s, even the body was microphonic, feedback at low volumes, dead spots on the fingerboard, worn out frets and so on. After the first gig I knew this is unusable for playing live. Sold it and got me a Yamaha AEX 520, such a good guitar.
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