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04-13-2016 07:19 PM
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How is that entry level?
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Would it be good for jazz style just have acoustic at the moment
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Sounds like you have the mindset that jazz requires an expensive instrument. It doesn't.
Some people think a LP is great for jazz. I don't. It is not nearly as airy and/or rich-sounding as a hollow body, or even a semi. To me, it lacks the tonal separation of a decent longer length instrument (like a telecaster with its 25.5 " nut/bridge).
Do people play good jazz on an LP? ...Yes, they do. But, I think it's like using a butter knife as a screwdriver--can be done, but not really what it's best at.
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Thanks for your advice if I do make a leap to electric I don't want to waste time on something that doesn't cut it.Anything in same price range This 2008 model seems to be in1500 to 2000
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A solid body telecaster can be very good (Mike Stern, Ed Bickert, Tim Lerch). A semi-hollow body can be great (John Scofield, Cheryl Bailey, Achim Kohl) and of course full hollow bodies (too many players to mention but to start Joe Pass, Herb Ellis, Jim Hall, Russell Malone, Hank Garland).
Spend some time looking through the threads...lots of posts.
Check out people playing various things on you tube. Verbal descriptions can only take you so far.
A decent clean-sounding amp and the player itself are a LOT more important than which guitar you play.
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Thanks again will do
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You shouldn't have any trouble finding something good in that range. I'm still in love with my Ibanez JSM-10, and that was, IIRC, about $1,100 new.
Originally Posted by anthonymyers5700
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It is definitely a good guitar and it is very pretty.
I'd say that a Les Paul would be a good choice for a first guitar except if you mainly want to play jazz.
It doesn't mean that you can't or shouldn't play jazz on it. It's just less typical. You could later on decide that playing jazz on a Les Paul is your thing, and there is nothing wrong with that. However that's not so entry level, and more of an advanced preference or taste.
If you want a guitar that is mainly good for jazz and you're ok with it being less suitable for other styles, it is hard to go wrong with with an ES175. If a Gibson is above your budget you could get an Epiphone.
If you want something more versatile for many styles a telecaster or a 335 like guitar could a good choice as has been mentioned.
This is a good read: Jazz Guitars | Buying Tips | Gibson, Ibanez, Epiphone, ...Last edited by orri; 04-15-2016 at 12:00 PM.
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Are you only interested in jazz? Are there other styles you will be using the guitar for?
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You can play Jazz on any guitar. In terms or solid body guitars, the telecaster can be easier to set the amp because it has less low frequency output. The Les Paul can have too much bass on some amps even with the bass control all the way off. That is why I think the Tele is more popular with Jazz. I have both and prefer the Les Paul.
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Well the more I learn the less I know but jazz has to be the pinnacle or ultimate style for hopefully an improving guitarist .So this guitar would be hopefully a good choice.
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I have a Les Paul Standard, it is indeed a very versatile instrument.
Great for metal, rock and blues and good enough for jazz I would say.
However, mine is an early 90s and quite heavy (10 pounds); not the best for playing long hours when you got a bad back or simply get older...
Last year I got an SG Standard 2005 which is close enough in tone to my Les Paul, but at 6.9 pounds, it is much more comfortable.
If there is one thing I miss on my Gibson solid bodies, is the 25.5 scale (of my Tal and Epi Regent) for better note separation on chords, mostly obvious on the bass strings.
A 25.5 scale solid body is my next purchase, but I might miss the Gibson style neck.
Would love a Tele with a Tal neck
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OP - that Les Paul with flat 11s would be a killer jazz guitar. Some jazzy guy, forget his name, Les somebody, was known to play a Les Paul.
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Yeah I guess the weight issue is a factor certainly not getting any younger wonder has 2008 model got as good a reputation as 2005 Gibson.
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Take your point but in the hands of a master like Les Paul even a plank of wood with a piece of railway tracks crossed with some string would sound good. Originally Posted by DRS
Chasing sound I believe I need to just practice a bit more well maybe 70 or 80 years worth.
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2008 Les Paul standard should be chambered so the weight should be reasonable. Might be a bit more jazzy too!
Weight Relief: What?s it All About?Last edited by MaxTwang; 04-16-2016 at 11:13 PM.
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go for it man, create your own voice
Besides it is a reason to watch this for the hundredth time, George Benson bopp'n on a Les Paul
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Get the guitar YOU want, the guitar that moves YOU. A lot of your satisfaction in music and in jazz comes from being satisfied with your choices and gear. Have fun and focus on making music.
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Cool video all I need is to develop the chops.Those guys make it look so easy Originally Posted by gggomez
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Yep good advice tiny tiny steps and one day you look around and realise what a mountain you've climbed and tremendous sound track to boot. Originally Posted by MaxTwang
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There was someone pretty well known who played jazz on a Les Paul... his name is on the tip of my tongue. Originally Posted by goldenwave77
Jeez, what was his name? Rhubarb Polfuss, something like that.
Seriously, though, a Les Paul is a fine instrument for jazz if that is the sound you want. Check out Clint Strong (skip ahead to 2:47 to avoid the tedious lick demonstrations):
I don't hear any lack of richness, tonal separation, there is even some airiness. The trick is not to fall into the trap of rolling the tone control way the heck off and muddying things up- maybe more of an issue here than with a Tele. The Les Paul got associated with rock music via Duane Allman, Jimmy Page, etc., and unfairly IMHO. Now for me the doggone thing is just too heavy to comfortably play standing for an entire gig and it's hard to play one sitting down. I find the ergonomics of my Tele easier to deal with when I want to play a solidbody.
Now, is a Gibson Les Paul an "entry level" gutar? Not even remotely. It is a top drawer professional grade instrument. If the OP can afford one rather than an Epiphone LP (which would be the entry level LP) then I say go for it.
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Well, actually Les Paul played professionally for about 15-17 yrs. before the Les Paul guitar ever existed.
As far as the LP being "associated with rock music...and unfairly [IYHO]"....if it wasn't for rock music, the LP would now be forgotten. It was discontinued from production, and then Gibson wanted to change its design...the SG design...which Mr. Polfuss refused to put his name on because he thought it was a crummy neck design....afterwards in the wake of Bluesbreakers and the "new" Marshall amp/LP marriage made in heaven, Gibson and Mr. Polfuss made nice to each other, and a series of happy accidents (the Marshall amp, the LP, and the humbucker p/u) was glossed over by the marketing dept.
Jazz can be played on pointy neck heavy metal guitars, but its not what most people think of when they expect to hear a typical jazz guitar tone...for single line stuff, I don't think it matters much...for chordal stuff...I think the note separation on a tele or a strat is better than a short scale, solid body, and you can't honestly tell me a LP has the same depth of sound, or bloom as a hollow body. Yes, there is not just one jazz tone, and yes everyone should probably have their own bag, musically and maybe tonally, but the OP's question was looking for a more typical kind of item, not the outlier.
But honestly it's not worth fighting over...Last edited by goldenwave77; 04-17-2016 at 02:37 PM.
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Yeah, well, the Stratocaster also would have been relegated to the dustbin of oblivion if it hadn't been for a certain guitarist whose name suddenly escapes me...I think it was "James Hendrickson" or something like that.
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It got some attention with some guy called Charles Hardin Holley too. Originally Posted by Ghostofachance
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