The Guitar Passport?

[dortmundjazzguitar]

I'm not making stuff up.

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I saw a story a couple years ago, didn't remember all the details so kill me already

you want to apologize? or do you think you were justified?

you're talking out of your rear end. nobody "practically took away all their instruments". in fact the hungarian orchestra had to pay a fine of 500 $ for not being able to produce the necessary cites document for their violin bows. from your article it would also appear that the orchestra lied about the bows not containing ivory. and your article also states: "no bows were seized or forfeited to the U.S. government."

[dortmundjazzguitar]

But it doesn't punish one for breaking the law. It punishes someone for doing something perfectly legal at the time it was done but which subsequently was criminalizes. A historic, traditional principle of law, recognized at least in the US Constitution (and I know the US is only one natonality present here) is the refusal to prosecute "ex post facto" offenses, things done that are legal at the time but later proscribed by, criminalized in later law.

nonsense.

https://cites.org/eng/res/16/16-08.php

"RECALLING that Article VII, paragraph 2, of the Convention provides that the provisions of Articles III, IV and V shall not apply to specimens that were acquired before the provisions of the Convention applied to those specimens, where the Management Authority issues a certificate to that effect;"

you're only punished for not producing the required certificate (which costs 20$ over here).

[Drifter]

But it doesn't punish one for breaking the law. It punishes someone for doing something perfectly legal at the time it was done but which subsequently was criminalizes. A historic, traditional principle of law, recognized at least in the US Constitution (and I know the US is only one natonality present here) is the refusal to prosecute "ex post facto" offenses, things done that are legal at the time but later proscribed by, criminalized in later law.

The guitar wasn't illegal then and it isn't now. It's what you're doing with it that has become illegal. And that's what you're getting punished for - if you don't have a CITES certificate.

I bought a '67 Guild Starfire in NYC back in the early 90ies and brought it back to Germany without any import hassle. I was young and just didn't think about it. No one cared at the airport. But now I cannot prove when the guitar has been imported to the EU. I don't think it has a Brazilian rosewood board but if it had, I'd never get that certificate. Many problems involved with getting those certificates.

[lawson-stone]

I wonder if guitar makers will start producing a line of instruments that are "certified" to be CITES compliant? That would be a huge help. I think the travel-guitar market will absolutely need something like that as these restrictions become universally enforced. Some kind of inspection and certification of CITES compliance that was universally recognized will likely become as common as some of the other types of certifications on products.