Solid state amps that are lightweight and can do fusion as well as jazz tones?

[m_d]

Back when I listened to Rich Severson's clips on Youtube with the Quilter, I thought they sounded just fine, there are of course many other possible jazz tones, and many other possible takes on jazz than Mr Severson's, but what's wrong with those particular tones, what makes them not "jazz" enough?

[jbernstein91]

well SGCIM, i've said over and over that it's the transtube bandit that has the tube-like circuit, lol...Maybe not in this thread though.

Indeed, this is the Bandit I have, which is a transtube:

[jzucker]

Back when I listened to Rich Severson's clips on Youtube with the Quilter, I thought they sounded just fine, there are of course many other possible jazz tones, and many other possible takes on jazz than Mr Severson's, but what's wrong with those particular tones, what makes them not "jazz" enough?

Nothing, i just didn't care for that tone. Sounded "middy" and thick to me. I like a little bit more benson in my tone and that quilter can't seem to capture that vibe. I also like less mids and the quilter has very thick mids. Obviously, it's subjective and I'm tempted to try the new MP series. I could get it on amazon with a 30 day return policy...

[christianm77]

My local luthier makes some nice preampy boxes BTW:
P1 Pre-amp - Dickinson Amplification

I should really try one through an AER at somepoint.

[sgcim]

Indeed, this is the Bandit I have, which is a transtube:

It's not that one, either. This Bandit was made in the Dark Ages, when PV was still a four-letter word.
I'd say that the transtube PVs are able to get a jazz sound, and fusion sound, but they're too heavy.
I only use my PV Transtube 112 EFX on gigs that require rock.

[petermelton]

Nothing, i just didn't care for that tone. Sounded "middy" and thick to me. I like a little bit more benson in my tone and that quilter can't seem to capture that vibe. I also like less mids and the quilter has very thick mids. Obviously, it's subjective and I'm tempted to try the new MP series. I could get it on amazon with a 30 day return policy...

Hey Jack, I moved from Guild over to Quilter. As you might remember, I've been gigging with their Tone Block and Ethos Clean for a few years now with what I feel are great results. Since moving over here and doing the shoot out with everything I picked up the new Mach 2 12" HD and have been loving it. I'll try and get you a clip tonight with my Heritage. The HD speakers sounds like an old EV to me. It's very even and certainly less mid focused than the other speakers they use.

[jzucker]

Hey Jack, I moved from Guild over to Quilter. As you might remember, I've been gigging with their Tone Block and Ethos Clean for a few years now with what I feel are great results. Since moving over here and doing the shoot out with everything I picked up the new Mach 2 12" HD and have been loving it. I'll try and get you a clip tonight with my Heritage. The HD speakers sounds like an old EV to me. It's very even and certainly less mid focused than the other speakers they use.

Sounds good. Like I said, I'm very tempted to order one off amazon but in the past I have bought stuff after mega-hype threads on here and TGP and have been disappointed. That's what happened with me on the original quilter aviator and I tried different speakers, cabs, etc, but in the end the treble control and other tone controls were just not placed properly.

I also don't think the small enclosed 12" cab is a good choice for fusion.

[jzucker]

Hey Jack, I moved from Guild over to Quilter. As you might remember, I've been gigging with their Tone Block and Ethos Clean for a few years now with what I feel are great results. Since moving over here and doing the shoot out with everything I picked up the new Mach 2 12" HD and have been loving it. I'll try and get you a clip tonight with my Heritage. The HD speakers sounds like an old EV to me. It's very even and certainly less mid focused than the other speakers they use.

P.S.

What do you mean by "HD" speakers? According to the website, the MP200 Mach 2 has a celestion classic lead 80 in it which is exactly what was in my Aviator and I didn't like it for clean jazz...

[petermelton]

Sounds good. Like I said, I'm very tempted to order one off amazon but in the past I have bought stuff after mega-hype threads on here and TGP and have been disappointed. That's what happened with me on the original quilter aviator and I tried different speakers, cabs, etc, but in the end the treble control and other tone controls were just not placed properly.

I also don't think the small enclosed 12" cab is a good choice for fusion.

P.S.

What do you mean by "HD" speakers? According to the website, the MP200 Mach 2 has a celestion classic lead 80 in it which is exactly what was in my Aviator and I didn't like it for clean jazz...

I don't blame you. Hype is hype. I had a similar experience and couldn't get a jazz tone that did it for me but they definitely are working for plenty of players around the world. That's why we make more than one amp. The HD speaker is a Celestion BN12-300s. Here's a link to the particular amp's web page.

Quilter Amps

[jzucker]

so is this ad copy wrong then? It says classic lead 80.

http://www.amazon.com/Quilter-MicroP...+mp-200+mach+2

Product Description

The Quilter 12 inch Mach 2 combo is the ultimate amp when you need serious power in a small package. With a throatier voice and more presence, the Classic Lead 80 lives up to its name. A sealed enclosure calibrated to deliver a very balanced and beautiful tone, combined with the powerful and up front characteristics of the speaker are perfect for the player who plays lead, rock, blues, or anyone wanting serious power. Great for electric instruments, the 12 inch combo packs a serious punch for players who love the sound of a 12 inch speaker, and want something powerful enough to handle a full band but portable enough to go anywhere. Combine this with our 12 inch extension cabinet for staggering power that will easily handle outdoor gigs without a PA system. Weighing in at 27 pounds, it is easy to carry and small enough to go anywhere.The Quilter Labs MicroPro Mach 2 12 combo comes equipped with two channels, both of which offer 100 watts of power for a total of 200 watts when used together. It provides you with powerful tone-shaping tools for unmatched sonic versatility including a 3-band EQ, an onboard Boost with 5 unique Boost settings, a built-in Voice knob with 6 of the most popular and sought-after tones in guitar amplification, a Hi-Cut knob that allows you to roll off on the high frequencies, and an onboard limiter. The MicroPro Mach 2 12 combo also features integrated footswitchable effects including Tremolo with Rate control and a shared Reverb for both channels with Tone and Dwell controls. The MicroPro Mach 2 12 combo also features a unique Phase switch that reverses the amplifier's polarity which can reduce or increase guitar feedback as desired for particular playing styles.Channel 2 of the MicroPro Mach 2 12 combo sports a 1/4 / XLR combo jack to provide you with incredible flexibility. You can use this as a clean guitar channel preset, or you can plug in a microphone. You can even plug in your mp3 player and jam along with

[petermelton]

so is this ad copy wrong then? It says classic lead 80.

Amazon.com: Quilter Labs MicroPro Mach 2 MP200-12 1x12" Guitar Combo Amplifier: Musical Instruments

Product Description

The Quilter 12 inch Mach 2 combo is the ultimate amp when you need serious power in a small package. With a throatier voice and more presence, the Classic Lead 80 lives up to its name. A sealed enclosure calibrated to deliver a very balanced and beautiful tone, combined with the powerful and up front characteristics of the speaker are perfect for the player who plays lead, rock, blues, or anyone wanting serious power. Great for electric instruments, the 12 inch combo packs a serious punch for players who love the sound of a 12 inch speaker, and want something powerful enough to handle a full band but portable enough to go anywhere. Combine this with our 12 inch extension cabinet for staggering power that will easily handle outdoor gigs without a PA system. Weighing in at 27 pounds, it is easy to carry and small enough to go anywhere.The Quilter Labs MicroPro Mach 2 12 combo comes equipped with two channels, both of which offer 100 watts of power for a total of 200 watts when used together. It provides you with powerful tone-shaping tools for unmatched sonic versatility including a 3-band EQ, an onboard Boost with 5 unique Boost settings, a built-in Voice knob with 6 of the most popular and sought-after tones in guitar amplification, a Hi-Cut knob that allows you to roll off on the high frequencies, and an onboard limiter. The MicroPro Mach 2 12 combo also features integrated footswitchable effects including Tremolo with Rate control and a shared Reverb for both channels with Tone and Dwell controls. The MicroPro Mach 2 12 combo also features a unique Phase switch that reverses the amplifier's polarity which can reduce or increase guitar feedback as desired for particular playing styles.Channel 2 of the MicroPro Mach 2 12 combo sports a 1/4 / XLR combo jack to provide you with incredible flexibility. You can use this as a clean guitar channel preset, or you can plug in a microphone. You can even plug in your mp3 player and jam along with

No that add is right, it's just a different model. There are two 12" versions: that one with the Lead 80 and the "HD" version with the BN12-300s. Here's a link to one on Amazon with the speaker I'm referring to.

http://www.amazon.com/Quilter-Labs-M...+mp-200+mach+2

[MaxTwang]

You know you're asking Jack to go with 1) a Quilter and 2) a neo speaker? If I'm not mistaken Jack liking either a Quilter or a neo speaker is the first sign of the apocalypse, if he likes both ...

[jzucker]

Peter, do the tone controls work more guitaristically than the original aviator I had a while back?

[jzucker]

and who carries this amp? The link you sent is from a dealer who's feedback is pretty poor on amazon. Since I'm buying sight unseen, I would want a 24hr eval period on it...

[MaxTwang]

I'd be interested to hear how your AxeFX/AX8 sounds going into the Line In on the MicroPro 2 (I've been thinking about getting an AX8 to try with my MicroPro 2). There's no HF driver, but some people use their AxeFx w/ IRs into an an EV-12L with good results. The Quilter and an AX8 could be a killer rig.

[petermelton]

Peter, do the tone controls work more guitaristically than the original aviator I had a while back?

I think they do. They work for me for sure. Just pm'ed you about finding a local dealer.

[petermelton]

No idea how to make that photo upload straight. The file shows the photo straight.

[petermelton]

Hey Jack, I deleted the recording after listening to it on my speakers at work. It sounds totally different than it did on my monitors at home, and not in a good way. I'll try to get a more accurate recording and send it to you in a PM.