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Yes but those are the WRHB pups I don't like.
Originally Posted by greasy0015
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12-03-2015 06:38 PM
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Ahh, a "what guitar should I buy?" thread. It really depends on whether you want a solid, semihollow, or hollowbody, of course. My 2 cents: Sweetwater has Ibanez AF75s on sale at $400 right now! Hollowbodies at Sweetwater, price low to high
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Another really nice, but cost effective Jazz Guitar is the Washburn J3. Great full sounding, deep body 175 clone that is really very nice.
JD
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Stop the "tele" madness...the lad wants a jazz guitar!
Here you go, an Epiphone Broadway...You'll get every cent back when you're ready to upgrade.
Epiphone Broadway Natural Archtop Semi Hollow Electric Guitar 711106270678 | eBay
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Yes, by all means buy something that's just ok just because it looks the part!
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go and try Epiphone Joe Pass
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If you've been playing Rock and stuff on a solid body with light strings for some time, it can be actually beneficial, "therapeutic" even, to start anew on a different kind of rig altogether. Something like an Ibanez Artcore with 11 or 12 gauge strings seems like a good starting point.
... more or less exactly what Marwin was saying above
, i.e., that a Tele can be great, but maybe not to sart with if you're coming from planet Rock, as most of us have.
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If it was good enough for Elvis:
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Hollow Bodies Artcore - AF55 | Ibanez guitars Originally Posted by Peter C
If you've been playing Rock and stuff on a solid body with light strings for some time, it can be actually beneficial, "therapeutic" even, to start anew on a different kind of rig altogether. Something like an Ibanez Artcore with 11 or 12 gauge strings seems like a good starting point.
... more or less exactly what Marwin was saying above, i.e., that a Tele can be great, but maybe not to sart with if you're coming from planet Rock, as most of us have.
get one of these cheap and put a decent
neck humbucker on it ... leave the bridge pu
alone , you wont be using it for Jazz anyway
I'd agree with that Peter C except I'd say 13 flats
Forces you to drop the chuck berry licks
for a while ...
You can go back to your solid body after you get your jazz chops together .... like Ed Bickert or Ulf Wakenius or Mr BLast edited by pingu; 12-04-2015 at 08:18 PM.
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My two cents: "What guitar" isn't the best question to be asking. With the right technique, a good player can get a good jazz tone out of just about any instrument that's handed to them as long as it has a good set-up. A large portion of good jazz tone comes out of the player and his playing technique, not out of the guitar itself. It's all about your touch as you play. As you develop your technique, you'll probably be able to get a good jazz tone out of any decent guitar that is handed to you. Originally Posted by abag15
Here's some really good news for you to think about -- We are living in the Golden Age when it comes to quality, affordability and selection when it comes to entry level guitars. At the $400 price point there is a wide assortment of highly playable instruments that will not be impediments to your learning. I think that instead of focusing on what instrument you should buy, you should focus on finding an instrument that fits your body well, feels good to you, and has a good setup. Once you've got those technical problems out of the way, and you're working with a well-made instrument with a decent set-up, it's hard to go wrong. The rest comes from within.
I know ... this is probably not the answer that you're looking for. Unfortunately the answer isn't as simple as spending money to buy the "right" guitar. If that were the case then I'd be as famous as Joe Pass... but I'm not.
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I am impressed with the looks and features of the Ibanez Talman that is streeting for 399. Has the pickups, alnico II, with a Broadcaster flat pole bridge pickup, of a tele, with a maple board, tho I think it is laid on, and with a jaguar styled body with body contours. Alder and Maple. Just wish I had 399. Model 302M, 2 at Sweetwater,,,the sea foam green is just nuts enough to be really cool,,,says Jazz, to me.
Last edited by guitarbard; 05-24-2016 at 06:38 PM.
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I'd add a plus-one on the Tele suggestion. They're good basic guitars, they get a decent jazz tone, and they're inexpensive and easy to mod if you want to.
I just put a Porter 9-T pickup in the neck position (single coil-sized P-90 style), and I'm blown away by how it sounds. I'd definitely recommend something like that.
The other nice thing about a Tele is that if you decide jazz isn't for you, you can play just about any other style on it, too.
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The modern WRHB pickups are just regular humbuckers with a big cover, they're not really like the 70's version. Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
I like the modern ones better (Mr. B. ducks and covers)
Every time I start thinking about a neck humbucker for my tele, I play it and realize all the tone I need is right there already with the single coil.
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The same observation could be made regarding a semi-hollow body and the tone would be IMO more appropriate for jazz. Originally Posted by Boston Joe
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Fair enough, though I disagree about "more appropriate". The Tele sound is perfectly appropriate, especially with a P-90 going. Originally Posted by jazz.fred
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"Appropriate."
Shheeeeeit, when jazz starts being about what's appropriate, it's certainly lost all of it's soul.
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My first thought was telecaster, but ...
I am reading this as being a guy who is only going to have one guitar. In that case, definitely an archtop. Something you will want to play without plugging in. You will practice more.
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Originally Posted by nopedals
Interesting thought.
If often thought if I really could only have ONE guitar, it'd be a tele, because I could cover so much ground with it (you know, both types of music, country and western)
But I sure would miss just sitting around unplugged and playing...the tele's great, but it's not a satisfying "backyard" guitar.
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Joe and Jeff,
Let me explain my use of the word "appropriate".
I am a Chord Melody player. Therefore, my opinion is based upon that perceptual filter. For me, the epitome of "Jazz Tone" is mellow, round and liquid. The players I listen to (and attempt to emulate) include:
Joe Pass
Jim Hall
Barney Kessel
Tony Mattola
Robert Conti
-et.al.
Therefore, I lean toward the tonal richness of a hollow or semi-hollow body.
No disrespect toward the tonal preferences of other players who favor the tonal character of a solid body is intended.
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I think chord-melody can sound good on a Tele. It's not a traditional sound for sure, and for what you do an archtop is definitely the go-to choice.
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Add $5600 and get an L5.
Just kidding..
I love the Epiphone Emperor regents. You'd be hard pressed to find one for $400. But that's a lot of Jazz Guitar for about $550.
Joe D
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Originally Posted by jazz.fred
No disrespect, but you're using a lot of meaningless words to describe tone. Liquid?
I'd be interested if you went to my website, listened to the recordings, and figured out which were tele, archtop, and semi-hollow. They're all there.
Again, not upset with you or anything...I just think people listen with their eyes sometimes.
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Ted Greene! Originally Posted by Boston Joe
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I always wanted a thinline tele, too bad I sound like sh..! when playing one Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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As much as I love archtops, I'm in agreement with others who advocate "inappropriate" instruments, i.e. Telecasters. If you view the Tele as not well-suited to jazz, more particularly chord melody, then Ed Bickert's live album (at the same club in Toronto, and same rhythm section as Jim Hall on his Live! album) will prove you wrong. Since many of his studio recordings feature piano players, here is a chance to hear him really stretch out with mind-blowing, improvised chord melodies. The clarity which he achieves when playing chords will make one wonder why every jazz guitarist doesn't play a Tele. All this to say, it doesn't really freakin' matter. I like what Mr. Beaumont said about jazz and what's "appropriate".
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