Bossa nova guitar

**Archie** · 07-01-2015, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

Yes, you can! I'm an equal opportunity kind a guy...I know nothing about Taylor's other than my intuition suggested a larger body nylon would do this body good.

Rip away!

Nah, lets just say I find them over priced for the tone and playability they deliver. I think you definitely pay for the name with taylor. Stonebridge are far superior imo and a lot cheaper.

But since your going for a bossa guitar, it's an outlier so I have no opinion on how good it will be. I'm sure you bought wisely ;-)

**silverfoxx** · 07-01-2015, 06:32 PM

Hi Joe,
Thanks for the vids the Bossa's are great ,well played ,I concur
with 2B on it the Yamaha sounds good, your 175 isn't too shabby
either !

Best Alan

**Longways to Go** · 07-01-2015, 06:33 PM

I totally get the whole semi-ironic Taylor has no soul feeling -- that's been my basic take on Taylor acoustics too.

But my NS24ce just keeps growing on me. Perfectly competent in every way to the point of seeming boring . . . but I find myself surprised by some sweet acoustic tones now & then. I'm especially appreciative of the piano like low notes. . . and the combination of impeccable build with cheap enough not to worry about it is right up my alley.

This has been my first jump into the nylon string world too, and the Taylor gets lots of practice time.

I'm guessing 2bornot2bop is in for a great ride.

at some point, I'm going to have to figure out how to change those nylon strings!

**mr. beaumont** · 07-01-2015, 06:43 PM

I think the idea a guitar has soul is complete and utter bullshit.

Taylor makes great instruments. The values are in the 3,4,and5 hundred series though. Otherwise you are paying for name*

*the 1 and 2 hundred series are expensive for what you get--on paper--but they're pretty cool instruments, and thanks to their arched back--really loud.

**Max405** · 07-02-2015, 11:13 AM

2B,
Great Guitar and a Great choice. I think you are going to love it. And if not, you will lose nothing. If you get a deal on the US made Taylors, you will never lose. Some one will always want to buy one. I'm happy for you bro. Play some Jobim for your baby. She will never let you go. I hope you are far away from all those wildfires up there. Stay safe, all the best to you my good man.

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

Okay, so this thread made me purchase my first nylon string guitar. I chose a Taylor N32CE as depicted in the above video. Maybe if I like it I'll later acquire the larger body more modern Taylor. I'd been salivating over video's on the 814CE-N but at $3500 what's a guy to do...that's a new jazz archtop range!

Taylor 814CE N Grand Audit Nylon String Acoustic Electric Guitar SN 1103025115 | eBay

Alan, I really appreciate the nice things you said.
I love Bossanova. The sexiest music on the earth. It puts you in place that nothing else can. Whenever I play it, I feel like Ayrton Senna in a 911 cabriolet zipping down the Pacific coast highway during sunset..
Thanks again.

Originally Posted by silverfoxx

Hi Joe,
Thanks for the vids the Bossa's are great ,well played ,I concur
with 2B on it the Yamaha sounds good, your 175 isn't too shabby
either !

Best Alan

**2bornot2bop** · 07-02-2015, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco

2B,
Great Guitar and a Great choice. I think you are going to love it. And if not, you will lose nothing. If you get a deal on the US made Taylors, you will never lose. Some one will always want to buy one. I'm happy for you bro. Play some Jobim for your baby. She will never let you go. I hope you are far away from all those wildfires up there. Stay safe, all the best to you my good man.

Alan, I really appreciate the nice things you said.
I love Bossanova. The sexiest music on the earth. It puts you in place that nothing else can. Whenever I play it, I feel like Ayrton Senna in a 911 cabriolet zipping down the Pacific coast highway during sunset..
Thanks again.

Thx my brother. Bossa for sure! But music in Odessa in the summer is a close second. You've never seen nuthin like it.
Thanks for asking. We've been warm for a week. I've cold collars on my boxers all week. We're hanging tough. Thanks for the thought. Everybody is heating up...except PCH!

**Archie** · 07-02-2015, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco

2B,
I love Bossanova. The sexiest music on the earth. It puts you in place that nothing else can. Whenever I play it, I feel like Ayrton Senna in a 911 cabriolet zipping down the Pacific coast highway during sunset..
Thanks again.

Yeh sorry joe, forgot to compliment you on those lovely vibes. You had a really good sound on that recording too. For a moment I thought, no its that cheesy 80's type sound but it wasn't. Well played ;-)

Here I've always enjoyed this rendition of Magdalena far too much, I actually learnt it some years ago. Very nice modern Bossa/Samba playing.

Screw it, I'm going on record and saying that this is in my all time 'Top 3' of guitar arrangements.

My other one would be this (but we've a lll seen this one) Starts @ *2:02*

I dont have a 3rd yet, I'm leaving room for possibilities lol.

Although this is my fav jamming video. This is why Julian is already a legend in my eyes. I think one of the best, in the new generation. (sorry I digressed)

Its funny, I never knew my favourite songs were Brazilian.

Thanks joe :-)

**2bornot2bop** · 07-02-2015, 07:05 PM

For those still searching "budget" minded Nylon acoustic electrics...With both a USB port and traditional 1/4" jack, and a $499 street (new) the Breedlove Pursuit Nylon, I'd think should be a great honorable mention:

Inexpensive Acoustic Guitar with Nylon Strings from Breedlove

https://reverb.com/item/488503-breed...nylon-electric

**2bornot2bop** · 07-02-2015, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by ArchtopHeaven

Its funny, I never knew my favourite songs were Brazilian.

Thanks joe :-)

Bonfa at 3:40...Yeah buddy!

**Archie** · 07-02-2015, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

Bonfa at 3:40...Yeah buddy!

Immaculate skill.

**Max405** · 07-02-2015, 10:02 PM

Archie, thanks buddy. After listening to the videos you posted, I realized I got a lot of work to do! I need more time in the days. I have move to Saturn.
Joe D

**2bornot2bop** · 07-03-2015, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco

Archie, thanks buddy. After listening to the videos you posted, I realized I got a lot of work to do! I need more time in the days. I have move to Saturn.
Joe D

Here's one for my good brother and his interstellar journey...

**Max405** · 07-03-2015, 11:29 PM

2b, I love the melody lines with the chords on Stairway. Something else to try out. Never ends. Thank god!

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

Here's one for my good brother and his interstellar journey...

**silverfoxx** · 07-04-2015, 03:28 AM

2bornot2bop

Both fabulous renditions and tone to die for, thanks for the post
Happy Independence Day to you all.

**2bornot2bop** · 07-04-2015, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by silverfoxx

2bornot2bop

Both fabulous renditions and tone to die for, thanks for the post
Happy Independence Day to you all.

Bah humbug! Worst day of the year if your kids are furry creatures, or you were a firefighter...I could live without it!

Thanks for the thought though SF!

**silverfoxx** · 07-05-2015, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

Bah humbug! Worst day of the year if your kids are furry creatures, or you were a firefighter...I could live without it!

Thanks for the thought though SF!

Greg,
Forgive my ignorance ( I'm from England, remember ! )
you need to elucidate, I've no idea where you live but
obviously your'e in a high risk Forest Fire area ? and
the "kids" are cats/dogs, or am I barking up the wrong
flaming tree ? I also doff my hat to firefighters .

Best, Alan

**2bornot2bop** · 07-08-2015, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Longways to Go

Someday I'll have to learn how to change nylon strings!

If 2b can do it, you can do it! Get as fancy or direct as you choose

**Longways to Go** · 07-08-2015, 09:42 PM

thanks for the tutorial!
It's time to dive in. . . my D string just busted

**Woody Sound** · 07-09-2015, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

Bah humbug! Worst day of the year if your kids are furry creatures, or you were a firefighter...I could live without it!

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**Longways to Go** · 07-09-2015, 07:54 PM

your comment about Taylor sizes got me curious so I got out my tape measurer. my NS24CE is 16" -- the dealer said it was similar to the newer 214CE but with an out-moded numbering system that Taylor gave up. I don't know if this is true, but the used NS24CE that I took home sounds better than the new 214 and cost $400 less! heck of a deal IMO.

I have grown to love my Taylor nylon string. I hope you enjoy yours!

Oh, and I just changed my first classical nylon string today!

**2bornot2bop** · 07-10-2015, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Longways to Go

your comment about Taylor sizes got me curious so I got out my tape measurer. my NS24CE is 16" -- the dealer said it was similar to the newer 214CE but with an out-moded numbering system that Taylor gave up. I don't know if this is true, but the used NS24CE that I took home sounds better than the new 214 and cost $400 less! heck of a deal IMO.

I have grown to love my Taylor nylon string. I hope you enjoy yours!

Oh, and I just changed my first classical nylon string today!

Congrats on the string change!

That's interesting. The NS32CE arrived today and the lower bout measures 15" across. Hmm..

**Greentone** · 07-10-2015, 09:45 PM

Good luck with Bossa Nova! It is addictive. I have been playing it for 50 years now. My father let me have his Yairi classical guitar 50 years ago. As a kid, I found the 2" neck a little tough to work with while my hands were yet small, but I persevered.

FWIW, I recommend a traditional classical neck--2" nut width--for playing bossa. Everything works best with a traditional guitar. I have two regular classical guitars and a modern, cutaway electro-classic (with a narrow nut and short, 24-3/4" scale, as opposed to the traditional 26" scale). They all work, and the electro- is a blessing when I have to work with amplification, but the traditional instrument is best for bossa technique and sound.

Watch Jobim, Gilberto, or especially Oscar Castro-Neves and see how it's done. OCN's playing, then and now, is brilliant.

**2bornot2bop** · 07-11-2015, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Greentone

Good luck with Bossa Nova! It is addictive. I have been playing it for 50 years now. My father let me have his Yairi classical guitar 50 years ago. As a kid, I found the 2" neck a little tough to work with while my hands were yet small, but I persevered.

FWIW, I recommend a traditional classical neck--2" nut width--for playing bossa. Everything works best with a traditional guitar. I have two regular classical guitars and a modern, cutaway electro-classic (with a narrow nut and short, 24-3/4" scale, as opposed to the traditional 26" scale). They all work, and the electro- is a blessing when I have to work with amplification, but the traditional instrument is best for bossa technique and sound.

Watch Jobim, Gilberto, or especially Oscar Castro-Neves and see how it's done. OCN's playing, then and now, is brilliant.

50 years! That's outstanding GT! Do you have a preference for playing Bossa Nova acoustically? If yes, do you sense your Classical provides enough volume projection to satisfy your desire to hear it?

I ask because, with but one day under my belt attempting to play a nylon string guitar it's a different playing approach all together....either that, or I'm just still new to guitar playing and my playing foundation is not yet strong enough to carry over to the technique of playing the much softer nylon string. But I'm happy the guitar has arrived.

**iim7V7IM7** · 07-12-2015, 02:54 AM

2B, Traditional Classical Scale = 25.6" (650-mm). Jose Ramirez III started making 664 mm (26.1") scale guitars in the early 1960s along with Western Red Cedar tops (Ramirez 1A). They were popularized by some player with sausage fingers named Segovia

. The 650 mm scale length goes back to Torres (or beyond). You will find far more classical guitars out there at this scale-length.