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Sound like this guy :
Jim Hutchins has passed away
Originally Posted by vinlander
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10-31-2015 03:19 PM
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My roundwounds are working just fine. Very warm - which is Originally Posted by nickyboy
characteristic of a round core string. I find flats great for amplification, but tend to have a rapid decay acoustically.
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i use the roundwound Bensons 12-52, or is it 12-53? whatever.
they sound great. the trade-off is occasional finger squeaks, of course.
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Had never heard of a grange. Man the ones on you tube are to my ears the best sounding jazz guitar I have heard. I love that little growl in the tone that they all seem to have. I see there is one on eBay for a miserly $22,000.
Now that hat is very funny, especially in the context of my drummer saying how "good thing your playing jazz! the guitars are so cheap". (he is always telling me how guitarists have it easy drums are so much more expensive).
off topic but don't get me started on singers that don't even have their own mic.
gibson Grange, awesome just like the wine.
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i found the le grande i tried could not hold a candle to the L5p - not even close
way smaller and lighter - and way less engaging. i could do very bad things to get my hands on an L5p - but i would not depart one iota from the path of goodness and decency to get a le grande.
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They are truly different guitars. The Legrand has the neck block extending thru the body and under the solid part of the cantilever fingerboard - just like Johnny Smith desired- this adds sustain to upper register of fingerboard. The body depth on Legrand is around 3/8 inch narrower then L5 for comfort. I found some of the L5p's to have a deeper / fuller tone acoustically - reminiscent of the orchestra period but I did notice a variance with some being quieter and somewhat thin- and could be indicative of set up or just differences in instrument . Originally Posted by Groyniad
My 1998 Legrand has a beautiful rich warm jazz sound with endless sustain and immediate response acoustically and I find myself gravitating to it all the time . As for the L5p - I spent several hours playing these the other day and found an extraordinary one that I'm likely to buy in the next few days - both of these models are terrific instruments.
As for your departure from decency - if you played my Legrand I'd probably have to call the Police to wrestle it back from you !! Lol .
It's all about finding the guitar that speaks to your soul in a profound way.
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of course you are right steve
the size of the L5 is an issue (depending on one's own stature i think) - but the pay off is considerable
i'd love to try your legrand
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Hey, I've been away on business last couple of days and I am little out of touch. Im glad this thread was resurrected. The pics of the LeGrands are SPECTACULAR!! Fumblefingers and Steve, Oh my goodness. Gibson still has the stuff that's for sure.
Steve - thanks for trying the guitars out and telling us about them. Your decription of them actually made me feel like played them myself! Only you can do that.
FF- I have quite the softspot for the honeyburst. And yours... Painfully beautiful.
Its nice to see how beautiful the guitars are when you step up a couple of notches from where I am right now. They are truly works of art. I can only imagine how they feel in your hands when you play them. Before I saw these pictures I thought that's what Gibson did best. Create the feel... However, it seems as though their ability to source unbelievable wood is incredible and after that, they sure the hell know what to do with it, that's for sure!
Great Post.
Joe D.
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Phillip Whorton worked with me and helped with the upgrade wood selection. It came out very well.
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As long as we're posting pictures of Le Grands ... here's my '93
This pictures shows the chablis color pretty well
and the back
My Le Grand to me sounds like the on line demos of Benedettos and other boutique archtops ... as opposed to the classic L5 sound ... I really like it's electric and acoustic sound
I'd love to add a L5P to my collection and there are some nice one's near me that I could have for a great price, but I ain't got no money for another guitar right now ..... and if I did I would more than likely spring for a Super 400
I've played some of the new L5Ps and I really like them as electrics ... I'm not sold on their acoustic qualities .. yet, but I'd love to bring one home and see if it came to life with some playing and a quieter environment than a music store
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One of the things I've noticed about the Crimson guitars is the use of quilted maple. Gorgeous! Check out this bourbon-burst Super 400 and its quilted maple sides:
Gibson Custom Crimson Shop Super 400 Electric Guitar Light Bourbon Burst | The Music Zoo
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Originally Posted by Greentone
Wow! ... what a beauty ..... but also that price .. ouch!
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Wow Bluedawg, unbelieveable!
OK, the last of my guitars just went into the fireplace. I heard the last string pop minutes ago. Im driving over to Long Island to the Music Zoo to sign my life away..
Just kidding. You guys have some unbelieveable Guitars. I've never been so impressed. Im jealous!
Joe D
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Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco
IIRC you have some drool worthy guitars yourself
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That S400 CES is over the top gorgeous, but it weighs as much as a Les Paul - nearly 9 lbs - and costs triple what I paid for my 1947 Super 400. I can't see it.
Gibson is still producing great guitars, but they are out-done in overall value by their historical output nearly every time.
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Originally Posted by rpguitar
Yup
Gibsons pre-owned guitars have been their biggest competition for many decades
That's why most of these new guitars will end up selling for a lot less than the MAP
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I spent 4 hours at Music Zoo last week playing all the high end Gibson acoustic Archtops. As Roger points out - most of these guitars are heavier then pre and early post war Gibsons. I've had many old Gibsons - the best being a 1948 non cut L5 - it had that big voice but not huge on sustain.
As for retail price posted- disregard it - especially on any 2014's.
I played every 2014 L5 and found an incredible sunburst at 6 lbs that I bought for thousands under list. Gibson is offering cash back on 2014 's right now!
As for Crimson quality - it's superb in every way - fit/ finish - laser straight necks nearly flawless - and I've owned nearly 50 high end Archtops.
I purchased the attached guitar and it's awesome. Still getting use to the sound of the Brass TOM saddle- but the trade off for the endless sustain is worth it - hope this provides some current insight to those looking.,
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Stevie, That is beautiful bro. Congratulations!
Im glad you did good on the number. That's a dream guitar. Really, Really classic.
Joe D.
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Man ... if I had the money Harvey at Rainbow would have one less L5P in stock
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Thanks guys. It's really a good one. My wife has the best ears when it comes to my guitars. Over the years she has supported my hobby and listened to many DA's Monteleone', Trenier's, Benedetto 's etc etc . She said it has some of the qualities of Jim DAquisto's later guitars.....- meaning not orchestra loud with quick decay- but every string perfectly balanced with a ringing organ like quality to the chords - yet quite loud . When you stand the guitar up facing you and pluck each string the volume is the same across all strings - ...one of my first tests. If you don't have this .....you fight the guitar constantly.
Another test is tap the back -it should be a very low frequency throughout 80 % of back area - similar to an over ripened watermelon with flexibility in the recurve area - which imparts that warmth to the bass response.
All the L5 ' s I played had consistently low frequency backs- with top thickness varying to some extent and some louder than others. I did not pick the loudest one -,which was not very well balanced . I picked the best balanced sounding one- enabling me to create these beautiful ringing chords with minimal effort ....quick responsiveness and lingering sustain .
Johnny Smith' s chord melody playing was based on the piano ....with Johnny holding the chord while moving melody . In order to optimize this effect you need good balance - sustain ...and responsiveness.
These new Crimson L5's are quite impressive .Last edited by QAman; 11-08-2015 at 09:25 AM.
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Here's my Le Grand
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here's mine, but i think it pre-dated Crimson by a year or two?
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My crimson crimson ...
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Wow- awesome examples you guys thanks for sharing .
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Okay, this is to make you guys jealous. Yeah, you can love your fancy pantsy L42.7's all you want, but watch me whip out my JOHNSON!
Oh yeah, this axe set me back all of $50! Even came with a nice gig-bag. And to make you jealous of my amazing talent, I'm looping a single 4 measure phrase…
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