Vovox Sonorous Protect A Guitar Cables

[spiral]

If anyone has even a passing interest in how our minds work with sound I highly recommend watching at least part of this Audio Myths Workshop. You will be entertained, informed, and frustrated at how unreliable our brains are as measurement devices. Some big takeaways from the video are:

• Our brains are geared towards always trying to make sense of what our eyes and ears are taking in, even if there is no sense to be made.
• We are highly suggestable via vision, preconceived notions and emotion.
• The brain can't focus on complex sounds so it "stops down" and will focus on main elements, and probably not the same thing on subsequent listens. You can always "listen different".
• Hearing is highly contextual. That context could be the room, where you are sitting, what is happening in the mix, how tired you are, etc.
• All audio parameters can be measured with highly accurate tools.

[lapideusvir]

This has no bearing on whether you think the cables are worth the price. It has to do with the hearing. The nuance, the low level detail, the sound staging, the timbre of the instruments, etc.

Trust your ears.

improv

I totally agree with that!

[drbhrb]

I totally agree with that!

I think spiral and KIRKP's links show that you cannot trust your ears. They lie!

[lapideusvir]

I think spiral and KIRKP's links show that you cannot trust your ears. They lie!

Senses never lie. They cant do that because they dont operate with the distinction true/false.

[Phil in London]

Senses never lie. They cant do that because they dont operate with the distinction true/false.

As an innocent bystander, I do not yet have an opinion on these kind of cables - never tried one. But the statement 'senses never lie' seems rather unwise, except maybe from a solipsistic understanding of the world. Clearly our senses are influenced by imagination, and if we believe that something is expensive and sophisticated, we may well sense accordingly (as the wine tasting examples demonstrate). I am not sure who introduced a 'true/false' category here, as it would be sufficient if our senses, influenced by imagination, let us know the expensive cable is 'better than the cheap cable', which is what we are talking about. The proposition that our knowledge as to price and special features tech-jabber influences our assessment of the resulting sound can hardly be dismissed by your rather crude argument.

[lapideusvir]

As an innocent bystander, I do not yet have an opinion on these kind of cables - never tried one. But the statement 'senses never lie' seems rather unwise, except maybe from a solipsistic understanding of the world. Clearly our senses are influenced by imagination, and if we believe that something is expensive and sophisticated, we may well sense accordingly (as the wine tasting examples demonstrate). I am not sure who introduced a 'true/false' category here, as it would be sufficient if our senses, influenced by imagination, let us know the expensive cable is 'better than the cheap cable', which is what we are talking about. The proposition that our knowledge as to price and special features tech-jabber influences our assessment of the resulting sound can hardly be dismissed by your rather crude argument.

Phil in London, the innocent bystander,
if you like you can read the quote as irony (I wouldnt take it so serious as you did). But from an empirical standpoint it is certainly not unwise nor is it solipsistic. I´m not going deeper into philosophy here, if you like you can do that and go on hobbyphilosophying here and lay out your rather crude theory about the impacts of imagination and senses ;-).
My standpoint is very clear: My reverence is the/my hearing. I do know all the "arguments" from technocrats, I dont learn anything new here.
Maybe it is wise that I also transform myself to a bystander, and even to an innocent one. And from this position - bystander and full of innocence, I wholeheartly say: "Guitarists, try the Vovox cable! It does make a difference that matters!"

[Chimera1to1]

Instead of two pages of semantics wouldn't it just be more helpful if the OP put some sound files up so we could assess the difference.....

[Phil in London]

My standpoint is very clear: My reverence is the/my hearing.

Lapisdeusvir, it indeed seems that your "reverence is your hearing"...

Relax, I think your message is clear. You like the Vovox cable and believe it makes a difference... and others dare to say that this may be based on imagination. Or maybe not. That's all there is to it.

[lapideusvir]

Instead of two pages of semantics wouldn't it just be more helpful if the OP put some sound files up so we could assess the difference.....

"Yeah, eh heh heh, that would be cool." (Beavis)

[Gramps]

The difference with some cables that I can hear is always in the high frequencies. If you've rolled all the high end off at the guitar's tone control you won't hear a difference.

I bought a "fancy" cable and went back to the original one because the "fancy" cable passed too many of the higher frequencies to the amp.