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That's too bad
Well in that case loopers and play alongs are handy for sure but I still believe that using just the metronome is more musical.
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08-11-2015 12:21 PM
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None of them are as good as BIAB
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There are a couple of irritating issues with BIAB Real Tracks though, as good as they sound.
Originally Posted by CliveR
1) It will often play an altered 7th chord when you really want an un-altered 'straight' dominant. This can sound truly horrible on some tunes. On the pre-Real Tracks version you could switch off 'chord embellishment', then it would ONLY play the precise chord extension you specified. But this option does not work any more in Real Tracks.
2) Change of time signature mid-tune (e.g. a tune in 3 with a 4/4 section, such as 'Litha' by Chick Corea). This worked pre-Real Tracks, but in Real Tracks it sounds absolutely dreadful. The work-around given by the BIAB forum/help is useless. I can't remember what it is, but it doesn't work.
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You might have answered a burning question that I had. Sometimes, with my Jazz Blues backing tracks that I created, I hear a slight clashing with my solos. It could be that BIAB decided to play an altered dominant chord instead of the unaltered on I inputted. Originally Posted by grahambop
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Graham, where does "Drum Genius" come from? Is it Garage Band software?
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Jay, no it's an app which I think only runs on IOS or Android. So you'd need an iPad or a smartphone or something of that ilk. Here are some details: Originally Posted by targuit
Projazz Lab - Drumgenius Drum Loops - Projazz Lab
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They actually are BIAB midi. Def lacks the "Real instruments" sound but fun none the less. Originally Posted by CliveR
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Here is a link to the Gear Page.
Looks like this thing is getting a lot of love. You connect an external pedal that runs around $35.00 or so. If and when I get it, I am going to have to add this as a part of the cost since it seems to enhance the experience.
It also appears that the quality of the tone of the bass and drums has been in question. But people seem to be getting good results by running the units audio output through a mixer and into a PA Speaker. I have a cheap Squire system that just might get the job done.
You can run the unit's audio into the PA and your guitars signal out of a second output and into your amp of choice.
The are making it hard on me. Also, it seems availability is an issue although they might be finally catching up with their distribution demand.
New DigiTech Trio- Band in a Box | The Gear Page
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Thumbs down for me on this pedal after watching a few more videos. I think the bass and drums can sound good if you run it into a good mixer; but, through the gear I have it would be annoying.
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Digitech have this week launched an expanded version, the TRIO+.
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I bought the TRIO pedal a few months ago. I find it to be a useful tool. Of course the bass and drum sounds aren't the best, but they provide a decent background for practicing.
It takes some trial and error to figure out what it wants to hear from your guitar in order to extrapolate bass and drum parts. Basically, keep it simple.
It's a lot more fun than a metronome for working on time, phrasing and speed. It's not for performance or recording, just a practice tool.
If you can solder, you can make the footswitch for about $10 in parts. Very simple and directions are easily found online.
I thought the footswitch would be necessary, but it's not really, unless you want to record separate sections of a song and switch them while playing.
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nice presentation! Originally Posted by David B
Digitech have this week launched an expanded version, the TRIO+.
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Nothing it would seem yet really replaces a live band, of course. But for practice I think there are a lot of options. I'm not familiar with irealbook, which if I recall is used only on a phone? But I use an old legacy version of Sibelius G7 where I can create parts as notation and Sibelius plays it back with the orchestration I designate. For the $60 I paid I can notate music, manipulate tempos, orchestration, key, performance characteristics and create midi sound track files for rehearsal purposes. The playback is routed through my Yamaha keyboard, so the sound is pretty good. The weakest part for me is the percussion.
Does it replace real instruments? Not for me, but great for rehearsal. Lately, I like to practice to a simple root and walking bass track alone or with the melody articulated by strings or vibes. I do that by simply turning off the chordal accompaniment I usually write into the midi files of a song. That gives me a nice structure within which to explore.
I'm not yet sold on these pedals but I would like to get BIAB for the Real Tracks.
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BIAB is only tolerable with Realtracks piano and drums. Then I'd say it's much better than iReal.
I still prefer the rhythm section in my head.
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Hmmm...I frequent the YT site of a great Australian pianist, Doug McKenzie, who graciously donates his time, experience and manifest expertise to creating a truly vast collection of jazz standards. The man is brilliant and his videos are rich in jazz theory. Furthermore for those who can read notation, he streams in the video the notation of what he is playing. He improvises his performance off lead sheets and then retroactively uses Biab to create the sheet music notation of what he played from the midi files.
He constructs songs with BIAB Real Tracks and his percussion and especially bass backing tracks are about as realistic as anything one could expect from software that does not fog a mirror at this point in time. Check him out just generally. He is a wellspring of information and great music.Last edited by targuit; 01-22-2016 at 11:42 AM.
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This lies at the crux of my decision. Since I already have BIAB with real tracks, I am less motivated to go out and buy a BIAB-based pedal to create a rhythm section. I am completely happy with the software, my computer, and my cheap PA system (although I may upgrade the speakers this year). Originally Posted by targuit
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