Nice Gibson L-5 Tone

**Jim Soloway** · 11-21-2014, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

New to me. Will check them out. Thank you, Jim. The only Canadian I don't like is Diana Krall...and Jim Carrey.

i'll send you some links in the morning.

**AlainJazz** · 11-21-2014, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

Buble ain't my bag either...i dunno if this makes any sense, but it sounds like his singing voice is a "character," like his impression of what a rat pack guy should sound like...i dunno...rubs me the wrong way.

I agree. I was trying to figure out what it was and that's exactly it.

**floatingpickup** · 11-21-2014, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

Keith, that was a nudge-nudge-wink-wink joke. Norlin gets such bad rap it's too easy to blame it on the Norlin L-5CES.

Jabberwocky: That's the way I took your comment and I was thinking it might be fun to get the Norlin debate going again. I always find that discussion entertaining. Anyway, I just think it's great to see young musicians playing L5's (of any era) and making recognizable music..
Keith

**marcwhy** · 11-21-2014, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Patrick2

Looks to me like Buble when out of his way to get the youngest sidemen he could without sacrificing the integrity and quality of his recording. I wouldn't be surprised if it was recorded at Juliard or some place similar. If that's what he did . . then good on him. The kids did a great job and were worthy of the opportunity. Wasn't the best vocal performance I've ever seen by Buble . . and I agree that the tone was unbefitting of an L5CES.

Boy Band Jazz?!

[Not into that guitar sound, but still a good player]

**rsclosson** · 11-21-2014, 10:03 AM

I must be the only one here who likes compression. To my ear it sounded great and I loved the lines he was playing. Guess I need to shed more.

**ecj** · 11-21-2014, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

I like Bublé. My sister likes Bublé. Most women whom I know who don't know anything about the Great American Songbook or jazz like Bublé. Bublé channels Sinatra. In an age where there are few real singers left Bublé is fresh air. You hear geezer Rod Stewart massacre the GAS you are sort of thankful for Bublé.

I like the dude although his tough 'hood Brooklyn street-smart persona comes across as contrived as he is Canadian!

How come there are no black male singers doing this kind of stuff? No black women singers either? Where are the Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughn, Carmen McCrae, Lena Horne, Billy Holliday of today?

Look up Dianne Reeves if you haven't heard her. She's absolutely incredible. Best singer I've ever heard live and plays very hip, modern arrangements thanks to Peter Martin's role as her musical director.

**IbanezAS100** · 11-21-2014, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

I like Bublé. My sister likes Bublé. Most women whom I know who don't know anything about the Great American Songbook or jazz like Bublé. Bublé channels Sinatra. In an age where there are few real singers left Bublé is fresh air. You hear geezer Rod Stewart massacre the GAS you are sort of thankful for Bublé.

I like the dude although his tough 'hood Brooklyn street-smart persona comes across as contrived as he is Canadian!

How come there are no black male singers doing this kind of stuff? No black women singers either? Where are the Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughn, Carmen McCrae, Lena Horne, Billy Holliday of today?

**Patrick2** · 11-21-2014, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by ecj

Look up Dianne Reeves if you haven't heard her. She's absolutely incredible. Best singer I've ever heard live and plays very hip, modern arrangements thanks to Peter Martin's role as her musical director.

One of the best I've ever heard!! She's Sassy, Ella and O'day all rolled into one package. Speaking of "in a package". What the heck happened to her? She really needs to consider pushing back on the calories a bit. Her health is gonna take a bad turn for the worse. I actually think she scats better than Sassy . . and almost as good as Ella. Her ability to stay in the pocket while she scats in perfect harmonic correctness over the comp is just unbelievable. But, I'd love to hear here sing more of the lyric melodey . . as opposed to improv'd scatting. I think she over does the scatting a bit. She's one gifted lady! I've often tried to invision her as a guest front for The Manhattan Transfer Station. That would be pure vocal jazz bliss.

**Jim Soloway** · 11-21-2014, 12:49 PM

That's always been my favorite Dianne Reeves' music. Both Lubombo and Malone work perfectly for her.

**ecj** · 11-21-2014, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Patrick2

One of the best I've ever heard!! She's Sassy, Ella and O'day all rolled into one package. Speaking of "in a package". What the heck happened to her? She really needs to consider pushing back on the calories a bit. Her health is gonna take a bad turn for the worse. I actually think she scats better than Sassy . . and almost as good as Ella. Her ability to stay in the pocket while she scats in perfect harmonic correctness over the comp is just unbelievable. But, I'd love to hear here sing more of the lyric melodey . . as opposed to improv'd scatting. I think she over does the scatting a bit. She's one gifted lady! I've often tried to invision her as a guest front for The Manhattan Transfer Station. That would be pure vocal jazz bliss.

Dude, seriously? Totally uncalled for. Who cares how she looks? She's incredible. Ella wasn't a beauty, either.

I do agree that sometimes her scatting can be a lot, but she developed a totally new conception for scatting, and I'm sure she just wants to show it off. When she hits those long tones while the band goes crazy...damn.

I wish she'd unleash her musicians a little more. There's a disappointing record with Kenny Garrett where he never really gets to lay out on a tune. All the ingredients are there, but everyone was really reined in when I saw her live. I mean, I say disappointing, it's still amazing, but as a jazz fan I want to hear some burn out crazy Coltrane shit every once in a while.

**Patrick2** · 11-21-2014, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by ecj

Dude, seriously? Totally uncalled for. Who cares how she looks? She's incredible. Ella wasn't a beauty, either.

I do agree that sometimes her scatting can be a lot, but she developed a totally new conception for scatting, and I'm sure she just wants to show it off. When she hits those long tones while the band goes crazy...damn.

I wish she'd unleash her musicians a little more. There's a disappointing record with Kenny Garrett where he never really gets to lay out on a tune. All the ingredients are there, but everyone was really reined in when I saw her live. I mean, I say disappointing, it's still amazing, but as a jazz fan I want to hear some burn out crazy Coltrane shit every once in a while.

Yeah . . seriously . . and not at all uncalled for in the context it was mentioned. I never mentioned a word about her appearance as an insult . . only as a concern. I didn't go there . . you did. I can't see how she looks when I'm listening to her on a CD or on Sirrius XM . . therefore, I really don't care how she looks. My comment and concern was very specific to her health . . not her appearance. We're losing too damned many great jazz artists way to early. Obesity leading to . . stroke, heart desease, diabetes with all of its complications. It's a bitch, man.

Oh . . by the way . . . Ella was indeed a beauty once you looked inside her. A sweet heart of a lady, by all accounts of those who interacted personally with her. ;-)

**Jim Soloway** · 11-21-2014, 01:46 PM

There was a period around 2002-2003 when she addressed the weight issue head on and very publicly. She expressed the same concerns as Patrick and she lost about 100 lbs. She looked great, sang great and seemed to have a whole new level of confidence in herself. Sadly she seemed unable to maintain it. I think this link will take you to a photo of what she looked like at the time.

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It's an issue that I've dealt with in my life and it can be very difficult but we all have our own demons. I hope it's something she is able to over come but it certainly doesn't detract from her remarkable talent.

**ecj** · 11-21-2014, 02:01 PM

You guys must be seeing something I'm not. She's heavy, but she hardly looks morbidly obese to me.

Whatever.

She's definitely an incredibly gifted singer, maybe the best around right now.

**TheGrandWazoo** · 11-21-2014, 02:15 PM

We can nit-pick all we want about some guy's tone, but doubt any single one of you would decline an opportunity to play with Mr. Buble..

..even if it meant having the results posted on on this site for us to run your tone through the ringer!

**Jim Soloway** · 11-21-2014, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by ecj

She's definitely an incredibly gifted singer, maybe the best around right now.

She is certainly that. And her pitch is probably the best I've ever heard. Every note just seems to be so incredibly clean.

**Patrick2** · 11-21-2014, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by ecj

You guys must be seeing something I'm not. She's heavy, but she hardly looks morbidly obese to me.

Whatever.

She's definitely an incredibly gifted singer, maybe the best around right now.

Looking at the photo of you in your avatar, (you seem very fit) I can understand your lack of understanding of the correlation between being obese and being morbidly obese. You might want to get a better handle on that, just as a matter of understanding it.

Obesity, while not as radical as morbid obesity, is still a very dangerous place for a person to be, as it relates to long term well being and health. Let's take away all of the political correctness for a second here. She fat!! She's quite fat!! That's unhealthy. Even being considered as "a bit over weight" is not a healthy thing. It doesn't take being morbidly obese for the effects of desease and metabolic syndrome to adversly affect one's life.

**mr. beaumont** · 11-21-2014, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by TheGrandWazoo

We can nit-pick all we want about some guy's tone, but doubt any single one of you would decline an opportunity to play with Mr. Buble..

..even if it meant having the results posted on on this site for us to run your tone through the ringer!

I'd take the gig. But I'd have a better tone

(lots of kiddin' here, that young guy's a darn good player, I just didn't dig the tone so much)

But I would take the gig. I think until you've played in a pit band, you might not understand the idea that music you'd never just listen to in your car can still be an absolute GAS to play.

**Bluedawg** · 11-21-2014, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by TheGrandWazoo

We can nit-pick all we want about some guy's tone, but doubt any single one of you would decline an opportunity to play with Mr. Buble..

..even if it meant having the results posted on on this site for us to run your tone through the ringer!

You're right about that ..... I'd play with Bubbles if I got the chance

I wouldn't be surprised if the guitar player had very little to do with his tone on the final mix ... he could be on this forum and guietly agreeing with us about what they did to the tone of his beloved L5

All of that compression and EQ may have been added by the recording engineer ... because that's the sound he had in his head

I think the playing is great ... the lead solo is nice .. and I love his rythym playing as well ... nice chord voicings

**Patrick2** · 11-21-2014, 05:01 PM

[QUOTE=mr. beaumont;478872]I'd take the gig. But I'd have a better tone

(lots of kiddin' here, that young guy's a darn good player, I just didn't dig the tone so much)

But I would take the gig.

I think until you've played in a pit band, you might not understand the idea that music you'd never just listen to in your car can still be an absolute GAS to play.

Absolutely true!

**fumblefingers** · 11-21-2014, 05:23 PM

Sounds like an acoustic archtop with a head cold. Pretentious schmaltzy singing too, but that's OK. The fact that people this young are playing/singing music this old is refreshing and encouraging. 4 stars.

**fumblefingers** · 11-21-2014, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by ecj

Dude, seriously? Totally uncalled for. Who cares how she looks? She's incredible. Ella wasn't a beauty, either.

I do agree that sometimes her scatting can be a lot, but she developed a totally new conception for scatting, and I'm sure she just wants to show it off. When she hits those long tones while the band goes crazy...damn.

I wish she'd unleash her musicians a little more. There's a disappointing record with Kenny Garrett where he never really gets to lay out on a tune. All the ingredients are there, but everyone was really reined in when I saw her live. I mean, I say disappointing, it's still amazing, but as a jazz fan I want to hear some burn out crazy Coltrane shit every once in a while.

Sure but that's not new. Singers aren't looking to be upstaged by virtuoso instrumentalists. Who's recording date/concert is it anyway? Who's the headliner?

**rpguitar** · 11-21-2014, 05:50 PM

I'm sure the engineer did a "minimum necessary" setup for the guitarist, and took a line out or DI signal... Compressed it big time, and voila, there you go. That's not how the guitar sounds when he plays in his bedroom.

**fumblefingers** · 11-21-2014, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by ecj

Dude, seriously? Totally uncalled for. Who cares how she looks? She's incredible. Ella wasn't a beauty, either.

I do agree that sometimes her scatting can be a lot, but she developed a totally new conception for scatting, and I'm sure she just wants to show it off. When she hits those long tones while the band goes crazy...damn.

I wish she'd unleash her musicians a little more. There's a disappointing record with Kenny Garrett where he never really gets to lay out on a tune. All the ingredients are there, but everyone was really reined in when I saw her live. I mean, I say disappointing, it's still amazing, but as a jazz fan I want to hear some burn out crazy Coltrane shit every once in a while.

I agree with you on fat singers. Traditionally it's good. Singing from the diaphragm and all that -even if it"s BS.

i thought she did a fine job.

The question is, what's the deal with Malone? He seems to be self absorbed to a sickening degree

**jads57** · 11-21-2014, 07:46 PM

Obviously they're marketing Michael Buble(spelling?) like a Bobby Sox Frank Sinatra. I actually think he's a good singer, but what he lacks is the swagger Frank sang with. But in fairness most of the newer music lacks the same thing no matter what the genre. Maybe a lot has to do with the way it's actually made and produced.

**Jimmy Mack** · 11-21-2014, 10:39 PM

What a tough crowd. I get the feeling that some people find it easier to criticize than to accept. Just like it was in junior High! Got nuthin' good to say ? then "cut" it down.

Buble has brought back so many great songs, with a great treatment, and gives life to "band" arrangements ....

what do you want???? more Led Zepp?? and fizzled out pop stars who can't sing anymore - need some money - so they do standards - without any pinache???

And to criticize Norlin L5's??? That alone tells me that you don't know squat. Really.

Too much compression - yes. Too much artist ? absolutely not.

Get out of your "easiness" chairs and live a little.

Sheesh