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A video of Grappelli and his band miming to their own playing. Someone left a comment that the guitarist is Etienne Sarane Ferret, but his guitar looks quite bizarre. He is also really bad at miming to his own solo, as any good improviser should be :-)
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06-26-2014 03:20 PM
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He also seems to be aiming for the world record in how many chords he can comp in one song
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He was MIMING! And all along I thought it was supposed to be played like that and got depressed 'cause I couldn't cop it.
No disrespect meant but he looked like he was going at fap speed about which our moms cautioned we would go blind.
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Here's a guess; it could be a Grimshaw guitar, made by Emile Grimshaw in Great Poultney St, Soho, London in the 50's. My first arch top was a Grimshaw G7, with the same fingerboard extension, headstock ornament and no inlaid name at the top. I reckon the super 4-type tailpiece and bizarre radio knobs might be a later addition.
Jaccobacci in Paris also made similar guitars, so I'm far from sure about it, but I think they had the name inlaid on the headstock.
Grimshaw's biggest claims to fame are that Pete Townshend briefly played one, and that the guitar break to Shakin' All Over was recorded by Joe Moretti on one, using a zippo lighter for the trem effect. Beat that...
Makes a change from talking about L5s…..
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Hi Rob,
This is the (late) British guitarist Dave Goldberg. Probably the most highly regarded Jazz guitar player the UK had in that era. Played with the Ted Heath Big band at one time, and Ronnie Scott's Club XI. Used to write for Crescendo magazine back in the 60's. Credit to Franz1997 on his call on a Grimshaw model. You can find a pic here of Goldberg with a different model of Grimshaw. It has the same inlay on the headstock.
Grimshaw Players (click on photo to enlarge) : Grimshaw Guitars
Btw thats George Shearing on piano on the Grappelli soundie.
PS Dave Goldberg used to share a flat with Jazz guitarist Pete Chilver, who left the London scene to run a hotel & promote Jazz gigs in Edinburgh.
Here's another clip of Dave Goldberg.
Last edited by pubylakeg; 06-27-2014 at 07:35 PM.
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Wow, great post, pubylakeg (really?). I'm so embarrassed I didn't know Dave Goldberg's playing. I'll try to remedy that ASAP. Many thanks for the info. I already know quite a bit about Emile Grimshaw and his company, though mainly through his early banjo work.
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I, too, vote for Grimshaw. One of my mentors when I was first learning jazz guitar was Ronnie Holloman from Daytona, Florida. Holloman played two guitars: a 1938 non-cut Gibson L-5 with an unusually thick top, and a 40s era Grimshaw made by Emile Grimshaw of London. The Grimshaw looked like the one in the clip. It was a very well crafted guitar. Ronnie considered it to be his best guitar and his L-5 to be his "play out" rig. Both guitars sounded fantastic.
The L-5, by the way, was one of the very best sounding L-5 guitars I have ever heard or played. It was given to him by an adoring fan in Daytona who thought he should have an L-5.
Holloman was an artist from a bygone era. He was Bing Crosby and Eddie Lang rolled up into a single performer. He would sing and tell stories--while he played the heck out of the guitar. His knowledge of chordal and single-line swing and jazz was exceptional. He could take a song like "Talk of the Town" and really deliver the goods. The L-5 would close the deal for him.
He was a good friend of a guy I worked for, so I got to know Ronnie in a home setting--low key, after hours. He was generous with his knowledge and helped a teenager transition from simple pentatonics to something more fulfilling.
Sorry to digress, but based upon actually handling a Grimshaw I'd have to say the guitar in the clip was a Grimshaw.
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Why (really?) on pubylakeg ?
Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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My apologies. I am VERY old-fashioned, and still find it hard to communicate with made-up internet names. Clearly it's my problem, not yours.
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No apologies necessary Rob, I merely wondered in case you thought that was my actual name. It's a Jimmy Raney original tune title from one of his Red Norvo Trio sessions (and a really cool tune too). I do things like that as a goodwill gesture to the administrators to show I'm not a spambot or something. Maybe I picked something a little too obscure.
That would be really funny though, to think of somebody having that as their actual name. Imagine. How absurd.
No, my real name is Hinge Thunder.Last edited by pubylakeg; 06-27-2014 at 07:33 PM.
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Well, I wouldn't want you to become unHinged
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Is it just me, or is the pianist in the Grapelli video a young George Shearing?
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You're not the only one...see post #5 above.
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Oops, sorry, missed that. Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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I never would have guessed that was Shearing by looking @ him w/out the dark glasses.
but when you hear him, you know....
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Re post #11
Got it in one.
All the Best Rob !
Your Friend,
(un)Hinge(d) Blunder.
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The guitar being played?? by Etienne Sarane Ferret is most definately a Grimshaw GS6 originally made as a acoustic model, the pickups etc being added later and almost certainly not by Grimshaw. The guitar is also an interesting colour of satin white which was first used on the SS deluxe models made from 1957 on, (Jimmy Currie played a nice example with Tony Crombie and his Rockets and later with Lonnie Donegan). Very few archtops were made with this finish and I suspect it to be a special order. Dave Goldberg also played the same model in sunburst which also had the pickups added at a later date. Perhaps they did not like the Grimshaw made pickups?
Does anyone have any idea where the venue is, or was it a stage set?
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So, we have a mystery member called Grimshaw Guitars. Intriguing :-) Welcome to the forum! You seem to know what you are talking about, that's for sure. Thanks for the info. I know quite a bit about the original Emile Grimshaw and his banjo compositions, some of which I've recorded, but I know very little about his business, especially after he passed on.
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Some of you may be familiar with Grimshaw's early effort: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4738/a1uu5.jpg
it was like a L5, but featured a wooden resonator back, like his banjo efforts.
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New to me. Thanks.
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Rob
i have followed your work on the banjo forum....nice. I started on tenor banjo. Still play. Grimshaw's resonator back guitar is from the 30s...IIRC.
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Hi Folks,
Hoping if we put our heads together we can solve this mystery...
Here's the titles....
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Dave Goldberg it is!
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It seems Martin also made a resonator backed-guitar: 1933 Martin for Paramount Style L Guitar
Looks quite ugly compared to the Grimshaw, but I'd love to give both a try.
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