Yolandateam/Yunzhi

**yolandateam** · 05-22-2014, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Woody Sound

Well now I am confused. I thought Lora left Yunzhi and was working with a different group of makers. No?

Hi，Woody sound,

Yes, I did left yunzhi and start my own business. I cooperated with the luthiers who have nearly 20years expereinces in handmaking guitar, and ever worked in Eastman and yunzhi as teacher. Actually most of yunzhi's model designed by the luthiers whom I cooperated with. For some reason, they left and start to their own business in 2013. and not I joint them.

Here I posted some photos my luthiers made for your checking. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1485555371675306&set=a.148555521834 1988.1073741829.100006625722870&type=3&theater Later I will post more photos on my facebook.
and the sound I posted in youtube ,please check.

Even I left yunzhi but I will keep my steps on jazz field and help you to get a dream guitar. I am confident for our guitars' quality.

Yours
Lora

**Woody Sound** · 05-22-2014, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ

Woody Sound,
Don't be confused by the title of this thread. Ms Lora DOES indeed no longer work for Yunzhi but is working with a team of luthiers originally with Eastman who then moved on to help form Yunzhi and then moved on later to form their own company. She's known them a long time. Yeah Yunzhi still makes great guitars and has a staff of "salers" as Mr. Li calls them, but Lora also has connections with these other builders. You look at both company's sites, compare models and prices, talk to the "salers" and make a decision on who will do your order and gives you the help you want all the way thru the process.

I don't know about the "Honkiness" factor you are referring to. I've got a very old Eastman 810 prototype and it sure doesn't honk, it's really sweet. Yunzhi or YolandaTeam can build you an 810 or 910 style easily.

Mike

Honkiness? I don't recall writing anything at all like that(?)

WS

**BigMikeinNJ** · 05-22-2014, 10:44 AM

WoodySound,

I apologize, that's my bad eyesight and it was jzucker who said that in the post above yours

Many apologies, I am "legally blind" from open field glaucoma and occasionally I step on things, bump into cabinet doors, step on pets even, and in the online world I fumble about but most of the time do ok. I'm the resident Mr. Magoo on a number of sites

All the best, no harm meant.

Mike

Originally Posted by Woody Sound

Honkiness? I don't recall writing anything at all like that(?)

WS

**Jabberwocky** · 05-22-2014, 10:45 AM

Eastman begat Yunzhi begat Yolandateam begat ad infinitum...Like, how about giving a chance for a niche business to grow and prosper together? Just my ha'penny worth of opinion and a ha'porth of tar.

The neck angle bothers me in that photograph. It looks a little shallow like it requires a neck reset. I also do not like the shape of the prognathous horn in the Eastman/Yunzhi/Yolandatateam/ad infinitum guitars in general.

Please pardon me for my contrarian view. Somebody's gotta rain on the parade and it may as well be me.

**BigMikeinNJ** · 05-22-2014, 10:50 AM

Jabberwocky
Don't apologize, everyone is entitled to their opinion and it's an open forum.
Mike

**Woody Sound** · 05-22-2014, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ

WoodySound,

I apologize, that's my bad eyesight and it was jzucker who said that in the post above yours

Many apologies, I am "legally blind" from open field glaucoma and occasionally I step on things, bump into cabinet doors, step on pets even, and in the online world I fumble about but most of the time do ok. I'm the resident Mr. Magoo on a number of sites

All the best, no harm meant.

Mike

Hey, no problem at all - it just confused me at first. But then I saw JAZ's post and realized what happened.

Wood

**Woody Sound** · 05-22-2014, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

I also do not like the shape of the prognathous horn in the Eastman/Yunzhi/Yolandatateam/ad infinitum guitars in general.

Hey, I agree 100% about the cutaway - I thought I was the only one! Much prefer a softer rounded profile. Theirs appear to be pointing out farther than the opposite upper bout (out of proportion), even if it is just an illusion. Even more so on the smaller guitars.

**Jabberwocky** · 05-22-2014, 11:11 AM

Thank you, BigMike. No harm intended but it reminds me of the Techcrunch Crunchpad on a small scale for some reason.

PS I must admit that as a vegan the scariest thing I ever saw in the past week was that photo of a smoking backyard cremator....no, BBQ grill of yours.

That was then. As a relapsed carnivore, the scariest thing I am going to see in July will be a 72 oz. black and blue steak that my mates are going to buy me at Morton's.

**Patrick2** · 05-22-2014, 11:40 AM

WOW!! We've got someone here who can actually diagnose the need for a neck reset by nature of a relatively poor quality photo taken from a distance? Impressive . . . if not BS. (I'd assume the latter)

Notice the protective strip under the bridge base and the saddle thumb wheels bottomed out? More than likely for shipping safety. I wonder if the string angle, caused by those two factors is what caused such a hasty assessment.?.?

Horn looks great to me. Very "Un-Gibson-esque" . . . which is probably the intent.

I for one, will not pardon you for your contrarian view. Why the hell does anyone "gotta rain on the parade"?????

I don't recall seeing where Gejodi ask for opinions on this beautiful guitar's neck angle or horn . . . or for any opinions at all.

Your post is similar to someone looking at a photo of a new born baby . . being shown by its proud father . . and that someone saying . . . "well, the kid has its nose in the wrong position on its face . . and I really don't like the shape of its head" . . . But, hey . . someone's gotta rain on the parade and it might as well be me".

**Spook410** · 05-22-2014, 01:04 PM

- Gejodi: It's a very pretty guitar. I think you're going to like it a lot. Yunzhi does nice woodwork. Some things to consider: Can't tell anything from that photo of yours, but my last one required bottoming the bridge to get the low action I like. I posted a thread on it. Apparently it's not uncommon in the archtop world and the fixes are easy as long as you can get where you need to be with a decent angle relative to the tailpiece. Also I had to use rubbing compound to get some finish flaws out. Fortunately this is not hard to do and works pretty well. If you look under your bridge you may find it the finish is marred up and needs this. Might be other marks as well. Nitro takes a long time to dry and that doesn't work so well with factory schedules. Finally, don't be surprised if there are issues with the electronics. I've had to replace them on all of mine. All easy fixes and well worth the money you save.

- Jab: Yolanda has become something like a broker. It is not yet clear what the business model for this arrangement is. Also, Yunzhi is not an Eastman spinoff. There was a single company and they split up. Don't know who got what.

- jzucker: I find Eastman's confusing. While many will likely disagree, I hear those harsh mids. I've always attributed it to the crappy setups you find in music stores. I wish I could play something like a 810/910 set up with decent .013's just to compare them. As it is, the only only one I've played that sounded good to me was a non-cut 6xx with PB's on it. As for Yunzhi's, the one's that are Benedetto Manhattan copies sound a lot like it; somewhat bright with quite a bit of depth and sustain. Not nearly as bright as that youtube that was posted for Hotman.. more like what xuoham and nosoyninja posted.

**jzucker** · 05-22-2014, 01:23 PM

i don't think it's BS at all. It looks like there is some separation at the neck heel like the neck wasn't properly set when it was originally glued. Possibly an optical illusion but I'd love to see a closeup of the neck joint from all 4 sides.

Originally Posted by Patrick2

WOW!! We've got someone here who can actually diagnose the need for a neck reset by nature of a relatively poor quality photo taken from a distance? Impressive . . . if not BS. (I'd assume the latter)

Notice the protective strip under the bridge base and the saddle thumb wheels bottomed out? More than likely for shipping safety. I wonder if the string angle, caused by those two factors is what caused such a hasty assessment.?.?

Horn looks great to me. Very "Un-Gibson-esque" . . . which is probably the intent.

I for one, will not pardon you for your contrarian view. Why the hell does anyone "gotta rain on the parade"?????

I don't recall seeing where Gejodi ask for opinions on this beautiful guitar's neck angle or horn . . . or for any opinions at all.

Your post is similar to someone looking at a photo of a new born baby . . being shown by its proud father . . and that someone saying . . . "well, the kid has its nose in the wrong position on its face . . and I really don't like the shape of its head" . . . But, hey . . someone's gotta rain on the parade and it might as well be me".

**Woody Sound** · 05-22-2014, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Patrick2

WOW!! We've got someone here who can actually diagnose the need for a neck reset by nature of a relatively poor quality photo taken from a distance? Impressive . . . if not BS. (I'd assume the latter)

Notice the protective strip under the bridge base and the saddle thumb wheels bottomed out? More than likely for shipping safety. I wonder if the string angle, caused by those two factors is what caused such a hasty assessment.?.?

Horn looks great to me. Very "Un-Gibson-esque" . . . which is probably the intent.

I for one, will not pardon you for your contrarian view. Why the hell does anyone "gotta rain on the parade"?????

I don't recall seeing where Gejodi ask for opinions on this beautiful guitar's neck angle or horn . . . or for any opinions at all.

Your post is similar to someone looking at a photo of a new born baby . . being shown by its proud father . . and that someone saying . . . "well, the kid has its nose in the wrong position on its face . . and I really don't like the shape of its head" . . . But, hey . . someone's gotta rain on the parade and it might as well be me".

Patrick, I assume this is all in jest. Or you're indulging in a liquid lunch.

**TonyB56** · 05-22-2014, 01:48 PM

To me it looks like the end of the neck and fretboard are actually floating above the top.

**Patrick2** · 05-22-2014, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

i don't think it's BS at all. It looks like there is some separation at the neck heel like the neck wasn't properly set when it was originally glued. Possibly an optical illusion but I'd love to see a closeup of the neck joint from all 4 sides.

That's exactly what I'm saying. You'd need a close up to be able to make any assessment with any accuracy. Also, the comment was made about a photo of an unfinished product. Look at the later photos of the finished guitar.

There's really no telling why we are seeing what does appear to be an irregular finished joint. It might have just been a heel cap that needed some correction. Why jump to the hasty conclusion that it was poorly assembled and needs to be taken apart and redone? I'm sure it made Gejodi's day to read that. This guy Gejodi is crowing proud as a peacock with its tail spread, and we've got somebody "raining on his parade" about defective assemble and an ugly cut away. Why?

**Patrick2** · 05-22-2014, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Woody Sound

Patrick, I assume this is all in jest. Or you're indulging in a liquid lunch.

No Woody. Wrong on both accounts. I was not joking and its too early in the day for alcohol . . . although "it's always 5:00 PM somewhere". ;-)

I still suffer from the syndrome of feeling like I need to jump in and defend those whom I believe are being sh*t upon unfairly. I'm sure it's a character flaw. I know I should probably just mind my own business. Maybe one day I'll get beyond it . . . maybe I won't. But, I felt the post I commented on was in poor taste . . . unless of course, you would endorse the admitted actions of . . . "raining on someone's parade". I personally don't see the need for it.

**Jabberwocky** · 05-22-2014, 02:50 PM

Oscar Wilde said, "Brevity be the soul of wit."

[Ed. note. It was Shakespeare who wrote, in "Hamlet," that "brevity is the soul of wit." Oscar Wilde may have repeated the phase---it wouldn't the the first time---but he does not deserve that attribution.]

**jzucker** · 05-22-2014, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Patrick2

That's exactly what I'm saying. You'd need a close up to be able to make any assessment with any accuracy. Also, the comment was made about a photo of an unfinished product. Look at the later photos of the finished guitar.

I disagee. Now is the time to be making those observations, not when it's been filled and finished over.

**Woody Sound** · 05-22-2014, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Patrick2

No Woody. Wrong on both accounts. I was not joking and its too early in the day for alcohol . . . although "it's always 5:00 PM somewhere". ;-)

I still suffer from the syndrome of feeling like I need to jump in and defend those whom I believe are being shit upon unfairly.

Sh*t upon? I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. All guitars have personal pros and cons both in application and aesthetics. I've owned several Eastmans and liked them all. And I always thought the cutaway horn was a bit oddly shaped.

This is no different than people offering opinions about headstock designs. It in no way implies that there is anything "wrong" with the instrument.

**jasaco** · 05-22-2014, 03:06 PM

Some people just don't get that just because they have an opinion (even a valid one), there is a time and place to share it. We've seen this before...

**BigMikeinNJ** · 05-22-2014, 03:13 PM

I think it is time everyone take a step back and think over what a good place this can be when we don't argue and \fight all the time.

**Jabberwocky** · 05-22-2014, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ

I think it was Dirty Harry (in The Dead Pool) that said "Opinions are like a*sholes, everybody's got one"...

The ancillary to that is "Awards are like haemorrhoids; in the end, every as#hole gets one." Next time you watch the Oscars or Emmy Awards or Music Awards, you won't take them too seriously. Never got an award but that doesn't mean I am not an as$hole or arsehole, as it is preferred here. But wait, Patrick has an award, an Artist Award. Shall we tango?

**Patrick2** · 05-22-2014, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

wow, this is why this place is so lame. Someone offers an opinion and instead of just taking it with a grain of salt, folks jump all over his case and attempt to disparage and discredit them.

#LAME #FAIL

I see nothing lame about speaking up against someone "raining on the parade" of a forum member's new guitar day. In fact, I see nothing at all lame about this place.

**Patrick2** · 05-22-2014, 04:59 PM

[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;427430]The ancillary to that is "Awards are like haemorrhoids; in the end, every as#hole gets one." Next time you watch the Oscars or Emmy Awards or Music Awards, you won't take them too seriously.

Never got an award but that doesn't mean I am not an as$hole or arsehole, as it is preferred here.

No arguments from me on that! But, you really don't need to use the $ or arsehole. We're all big boys .. and girls. You may most certainly refer to yourself as an asshole without having to disguise the word. I doubt it would be met with too much disagreement.

But wait, Patrick has an award, an Artist Award.

Yes . . . Patrick has an Artist Award! Shall I post it so that you can assess its neck set and comment on its cutaway?

Shall we tango?

Why? So we can see who's the bigger asshole? NO contest! I'm 63 years old. I've been an asshole since before you could even walk. In fact, my wife, who is the most honest person I know, tells me almost every day that I'm the biggest asshole she's ever met! So, stand down.

**Spook410** · 05-22-2014, 05:00 PM

So Patrick rains on Jabb's parade for raining on a NGD parade.. and now we're all lame.

I have faith in Jabber's resilience and wit. I have faith in Patricks generosity of spirit. Or as Mr. Wilde or somebody said "as we could neither trump nor follow suit, we retired to the bar".

And a bit more detail on some Yunzhi neck joints:

**Patrick2** · 05-22-2014, 05:04 PM

[QUOTE=Spook410;427439]So Patrick rains on Jabb's parade for raining on a NGD parade.. and now we're all lame.

I have faith in Jabber's resilience and wit. I have faith in Patricks generosity of spirit. Or as Mr. Wilde or somebody said

"as we could neither trump nor follow suit, we retired to the bar".

As it is now 5:04 PM here in the eastern USA . . . this is an all too appropriate suggestion! To the bar it is!