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    Seventy Seven has 2 thinline full hollow guitars I've been looking at:

    The Hawk Standard - Hog neck, rosewood board, lam maple top, sides & back. $1800

    The Hawk Jazz - maple neck, ebony board, lam spruce top, lam maple back & sides. $2000

    They will do a single neck pickup for an additional $200, and about a 4 month lead time.

    Has anyone here played these guitars, and if so, what were your impressions?
    The only place I know of here in the states to get one is on Ebay, & the seller doesn't take any returns for any reason. That a huge red flag for me. What if I get a defective unit, what if I can't hang with the neck profile? These would be the probably the only reasons I would likely need to return the guitar.

    Another option would be to buy from a Japanese dealer, which presents it's own set of issues if a return is necessary.

    I do like the the concept & execution though, it's right in my wheelhouse, as long as the neck isn't too skinny.
    Any thoughts?
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    I like the look of these too - given your uncertainty about neck profile etc. - if you got one and then wanted to sell it, having only a single pup could be harder to find a buyer. I've noticed on Gbase that with vintage, thinner, hollowbodies like Gibson 125T's, Epi Sorrento's, and Gretsches, that the single pup ones are less in demand and go for cheaper. I only play jazz, so like just the one pup (plus it makes the guitar a bit lighter) - but all the blues/rock guys want that bridge pickup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3625
    I like the look of these too - given your uncertainty about neck profile etc. - if you got one and then wanted to sell it, having only a single pup could be harder to find a buyer. I've noticed on Gbase that with vintage, thinner, hollowbodies like Gibson 125T's, Epi Sorrento's, and Gretsches, that the single pup ones are less in demand and go for cheaper. I only play jazz, so like just the one pup (plus it makes the guitar a bit lighter) - but all the blues/rock guys want that bridge pickup.
    I agree about the 2 pickups. It seems weird to have to pay an upcharge to subtract a pickup.
    Awhile back there was a post on TGP about the Exrubato that was very positive about Seventy Seven build quality, which put the brand on my radar, but I wasn't really looking for a double cutaway semi hollow. Then they released the Hawk in 2013 which ticks all my boxes. If I could get some kind of awareness on the the neck size & profile it would be easier to make a decision.

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    Ask Jack Z he used to own a guitar made by them.

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    Looks very interesting.

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    in another thread, some weeks ago, itsall4you asked us our opinion on the finish of these guitars
    https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/guita...ral-burst.html
    Maybe you can ask him ?

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    Those Seventy Seven Hawks look great. I own 2 Seventy Seven guitars, an Albatross Jazz with humbuckers and one with P-90s. Sorry, no experience with the Hawk, as it is so new, but I'll give you my impressions of the ones I have.

    The necks on mine are not slim. I would describe them as a nice full D shape, but not excessively fat. I find them to be very comfortable, with immaculate fret work. From what I have read about the various Seventy Seven models, they all seem to share a similar neck profile. The guy on Ebay that sells these is named Eichi, and he was very good about answering my questions and is a player himself, so I'm sure he could describe the neck.

    The pickups and electronics are top notch. Quality of woods and workmanship is among the best. If I was looking for this type of guitar, I would have no hesitation ordering one. But that's me.

    Your concerns about buying with a no-refund policy are certainly valid! I find these guitars to be a good value for the money. However, this is a relatively unknown brand and that will affect resale value. So there is that element of risk involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris
    Nice - but it told us more about the guitarist than it did about the guitar !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra
    I agree about the 2 pickups. It seems weird to have to pay an upcharge to subtract a pickup.
    Awhile back there was a post on TGP about the Exrubato that was very positive about Seventy Seven build quality, which put the brand on my radar, but I wasn't really looking for a double cutaway semi hollow. Then they released the Hawk in 2013 which ticks all my boxes. If I could get some kind of awareness on the the neck size & profile it would be easier to make a decision.
    The up charge is really to manage a custom order. One pickup is not really any different than a custom neck profile, or a different wood for the top. It takes human attention. Life is a lot easier when they're all fundamentally the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilpy
    Those Seventy Seven Hawks look great. I own 2 Seventy Seven guitars, an Albatross Jazz with humbuckers and one with P-90s. Sorry, no experience with the Hawk, as it is so new, but I'll give you my impressions of the ones I have.

    The necks on mine are not slim. I would describe them as a nice full D shape, but not excessively fat. I find them to be very comfortable, with immaculate fret work. From what I have read about the various Seventy Seven models, they all seem to share a similar neck profile. The guy on Ebay that sells these is named Eichi, and he was very good about answering my questions and is a player himself, so I'm sure he could describe the neck.

    The pickups and electronics are top notch. Quality of woods and workmanship is among the best. If I was looking for this type of guitar, I would have no hesitation ordering one. But that's me.

    Your concerns about buying with a no-refund policy are certainly valid! I find these guitars to be a good value for the money. However, this is a relatively unknown brand and that will affect resale value. So there is that element of risk involved.
    Thanks so much for your input Gilpy. I did email Eiichi and he answered all of my questions. He echoed what you said about the neck size, so that pretty much dispenses my fears with regarding the neck profile.
    I have yet to read any negatives about the build quality. Everything I've read so far about the fit & finish has been stellar.
    I was looking to get a Collings but I just can't swing the jing right now, so I'd like to get the best bang for the buck right around $2k...
    The other guitar on my radar is the Peerless Cremona 16", although I'm not sure of the neck size...
    How would you characterize the tone of the stock Seventy Seven humbuckers? Can you get realistic conventional jazz sounds? Good for jump swing and R&B?
    Thanks to everyone for chiming in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 339 in june
    in another thread, some weeks ago, itsall4you asked us our opinion on the finish of these guitars
    https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/guita...ral-burst.html
    Maybe you can ask him ?
    Thanks for the tip!
    I'll shoot the OP in that thread a PM & see what he has to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
    The up charge is really to manage a custom order. One pickup is not really any different than a custom neck profile, or a different wood for the top. It takes human attention. Life is a lot easier when they're all fundamentally the same.
    Thanks for the reply Jim. You're right, of course, just seems bass ackwards...
    If I do buy a Hawk, I'll just get one with 2 pickups.
    I sure don't want to wait 4 months or longer & spend the extra money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra
    Thanks for the reply Jim. You're right, of course, just seems bass ackwards...
    If I do buy a Hawk, I'll just get one with 2 pickups.
    I sure don't want to wait 4 months or longer & spend the extra money.
    It does seem backwards but I've gotten the same response from several smaller production-style builders. Carvin wanted both an up charge and for me to forego the return policy, They were probably right to do so but it convinced me not to try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra
    How would you characterize the tone of the stock Seventy Seven humbuckers? Can you get realistic conventional jazz sounds? Good for jump swing and R&B?
    Thanks to everyone for chiming in!
    I really like the humbuckers in my 77. They have a clear, well balanced sound without harsh highs or muddy lows. The tone control is nicely voiced and useful. I can get very good jazz tones, though that is a subjective thing. I have also used it on R&B and rock gigs and been very pleased.

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    New to the forum and have been lurking around soaking up knowledge for quite awhile, so hello everyone.

    I own an Alabatross Jazz and an Exrubato Custom. I would not hesitate at all purchasing the Hawk Jazz and am contemplating purchasing one for myself in natural.

    The Seventy-Seven guitars build quality, fit and finish are up there with the best in the business and comparatively speaking, their prices are very competitive.

    No, their not Gibson, but if you are looking for a superior quality instrument with a great sound at a reasonable price then a Seventy-Seven should certainly be on your short list.

    My humble opinion for what it's worth and your mileage may vary.

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    Forensbro,

    Could you tell a little bit more about the neck-profile, especially compared to that of Gibson - if possible?

    Thanks!

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    Hawk Jazz -this guitar sounds great.

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    Little Jay the Seventy-Seven necks have a symmetrical D shaped profile. I guess it depends on what Gibson model guitar you are referring to because there is quite a bit of variability between models and years. They are certainly not slim profile like an SG and not near as full a say a 50s reissue. I find the necks to be very close to my '74-'75 Gibson ES-335TD, but not quite as flat at the peak of the radius. The necks have a little substance to them, which I like, but do not feel fat or bulky. I hope that helps, but I know it's always best to have one in your own hands to make a judgement as to whether a particular guitar is a good fit or not.

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    Thanx! I really like the neck of my ES-333, whose profile was marketed as 60ies slim-taper, but doesn't feel that slim at all to me.

    I'm in the market for a nice hollow body to acompany my ES-333 and the Hawk looks really appealing to me.

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    JZucker could likely offer a much better response about the neck and sound of Seventy-Seven guitars (much better player than I'll ever be). I purchased the Albatross Jazz based on one of his instrument demos posted on YouTube and was not at all hesitant or disappointed. I believe (unsure) that he also posted another video playing the Stork model.

    You can also contact Eiichi Yamamoto at eastmongo@gmail.com (dealer of Seventy-Seven guitars) and he will answer any and all of your questions; great guy to work with.

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    Went ahead and pulled the trigger on a natural Hawk Jazz this morning. I need another guitar like I need another hole in my head, but...

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    How long will you have to wait for it ?
    Post pics and your impression when you have it in hands !

    Congrats on what seems to be a wise decision

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    Like this presentation:

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    Folks considering the 77 Guitars Hawk Jazz should also be made aware of the Exrubato Jazz and Stork Jazz. The former is an ES-335 style laminated spruce top and the latter is a chambered Les Paul style laminated spruce top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster
    Like this presentation:
    That sounds terrific.

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    The guitar will ship FedEx from New Jersey Monday and I'm hoping to have it by weeks end. I'm not looking for the guitar to "compete" with one of my other guitars. I think any guitar with a proper set-up has something to offer and it just depends on what sound one is searching for.

    At this point in my life I consider myself to be more collector than player and am fortunate enough to be able to buy an instrument if I like it. I practice when I can, but also play bluegrass squareneck resonator guitar, so I split my little bit of free time between 2 different genres of music on 2 quite different instruments. Practicing for me is a sense of accomplishment and is also a great stress reliever.

    Don't have much opportunity to try upper-end instruments here in Shreveport, LA, but do my research and order online. There is a great set-up guy here in town and he does all of my instruments.

    Recently took possession of a natural 2014 Gibson L5 CES (24 months interest free financing and 50% off Gibson's inflated MSRP) and a used Sadowsky LS-17. Both fantastic instruments with different and distinctive sounds. Those 2 were additions to my hollow body archtop guitar collection (natural Gibson Byrdland, sunburst maple Gibson L4, sunburst Gibson ES-775, Foster Basin Street, 7-string Eastman AR810CE and 1978 Herb Ellis Aria Pro II) and I'm looking forward to adding the Seventy Seven Jazz Hawk even though some may consider it to be a lesser guitar.


    I'll keep y'all posted on the SS Hawk Jazz and post some pictures when able.

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    Congratulations on the purchase.

    I have 3 Seventy Seven guitars - an Exrubato, a Stork Jazz, and a custom Robin with a Lollar CC in the neck (see picture). The build quality on the Robin and Stork Jazz is superb (probably equivalent to my Sadowsky JH). The necks are quite chunky if you're used to the slim Gibson type - but personally I find them quite comfortable.

    I find these guitars great value for money and could say the same for Fujigen fenders. I guess I have more confidence in Japanese guitars after a few dodgy experiences with USA Fender and Gibson.

    Looking forward to hearing your views on the Hawk (you certainly have some good references in your collection).
    Seventy Seven Hawk...-p1040455c-jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mezza
    Congratulations on the purchase.

    I have 3 Seventy Seven guitars - an Exrubato, a Stork Jazz, and a custom Robin with a Lollar CC in the neck (see picture). The build quality on the Robin and Stork Jazz is superb (probably equivalent to my Sadowsky JH). The necks are quite chunky if you're used to the slim Gibson type - but personally I find them quite comfortable.

    I find these guitars great value for money and could say the same for Fujigen fenders. I guess I have more confidence in Japanese guitars after a few dodgy experiences with USA Fender and Gibson.

    Looking forward to hearing your views on the Hawk (you certainly have some good references in your collection).
    Seventy Seven Hawk...-p1040455c-jpg
    I think Robin tele is very light because of chambered body?

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    Yes - it is practically hollow with only a small block under the bridge.

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    Mezza that's a sweet looking 77 Robin with that CC pup and I really like that natural finish. If I'm not mistaken the Robin was an AE Series guitar produced in the Philippines and is no longer in production. I've not seen one for sale in quite a while.

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    That's right - this could be the last Robin ever made in Japan. It had to be made in the Momose factory after the Seventy Seven factory burnt down (my "first" Robin was boxed ready to ship when the fire started in the paint shop so we nicknamed this one The Phoenix). The CC pup is a revelation - great warmth and string definition - seems to suit the hollow mahogany body and 24.75 scale.

    They started making the Robin in the Philippines after the fire.
    Last edited by Mezza; 08-05-2014 at 08:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mezza
    Yes - it is practically hollow with only a small block under the bridge.
    Is it possible to find any sound of it?
    Best
    Kris

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    Off topic maybe, I didn't know the factory burnt down.
    Would this be the Headway factory?
    I visited there some years ago to get info on a prototype guitar I have which was made by Masayuki Tskaesu, he's the guy behind the seventy seven brand. He was in the Philippines so I didn't meet him but the factory manager gave me a tour and I was impressed.

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    Hi kris - I haven't got around to posting some audio yet. And here is a link to the factory fire (have some tissues handy)


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    The Seventy Seven Hawk Jazz shipped from Japan and is taking a bit longer than expected to reach me.
    Attached Images Attached Images Seventy Seven Hawk...-h-jazz1-jpg Seventy Seven Hawk...-h-jazz2-jpg Seventy Seven Hawk...-h-jazz3-jpg Seventy Seven Hawk...-h-jazz4-jpg 

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    Patience, my friend, it's looking great. Red looks mighty tasty...

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    Check the SeventySeven guitars Facebook, there's a full depth model coming up: the Fat Hawk. I already want one!

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    Just received the Hawk Jazz in natural and yes; it's all that and a bag of chips. The workmanship is flawless and it plays, feels and sounds fantastic. I'll need to get it strung up with a set of flatwounds, but it sounds great with the Elixir Nanowebs that it came with. I've already inquired as to when the fat body Hawk will be available and would like to get a single pickup version in natural finish. The Seventy-Seven brand guitars are quality instruments at a great price point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forensbro
    Just received the Hawk Jazz in natural and yes; it's all that and a bag of chips ...
    Now we need some sound clips, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster
    Now we need some sound clips, please.
    +1

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    The Fat Hawk is a special run for a Japanese music store. AT some point they may be available in the states. Ive asked for them to make a p90 version also, Ill give the details as I get them. Bob

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    Seventy-seven Guitars got back to me with information about the FAT HAWK. Love the moniker. Corroborating Top of the Arch's report, they are a custom run for a Japanese retailer.

    However, one can place an order for a custom FAT HAWK with your choice of pickup.

    It is of standard ES-175 specs. : laminated maple body, rosewood fretvoard, mahogany neck (probably African Khaya), 628mm scale length, 81mm rim depth.

    I asked for a quote on a custom jobbie with a 3-point mount Charlie Christian CC UK pup and Bakelite knobs which they said they would be happy to do..

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    Did they say which retailer?

    I saw a beautiful Exrubato Custom in red at Ikebe recently that gave me major GAS.

    Shame I got no spare cash.

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    No; I didn't ask and should have.

    The Transparent Red Exrubato Custom (I have one Iced Tea and one in Transparent Black) and Transparent Red Hawk look really alluring...

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    Placing a custom order is usually an easy and painless task. As a Seventy Seven dealer Ive placed custom orders and the wait time is not what one would expect for a custom made guitar. The longest Ive had to wait was 5 mos. I guarantee its worth the wait. Bob

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    I see that they describe themselves as Seventy Seven by Headway.
    I visited the Headway factory (workshop would be a better description) some years ago though they were only making flat top acoustics.
    I met a few of the staff including the sprayer and a manager named Aki Shiokawa.
    Those guys were really into their work, real attention to detail and no CNC. Old school.

    There's another brand called STR which shares some of the esthetics of the 77 jazz range, similar finish and binding but more original designs. Look great but quite a bit more expensive. Maybe worth checking out though.

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    The STR brand is custom order mostly. Super build quality and a bit more costly than Seventy Seven. Bob

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    Thanks Bob
    I've seen them in a few stores, they probably placed custom orders, but I've seen custom Ibanez models in the same store so I guess that's part of their business model.

    Pricey as you say.