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Hi!
I just bought a new guitar (Peerless Monarch) so now I experiment to find the best setup. I also switched to thinner strings (11 flats) so I can play for longer time, but about every third time I tune up after adjusting the action or relief, the first string burst somewhere near the hole in the tuners.
Is this normal for thin strings or is there anything to do about it. Another maybe silly question is, if there is a difference between flat and round first strings or if they are all flat?
About the pick, I miss my old wooden pick. It was bigger, thicker and heavier than Dunlop big stubby and made of black wood. I tried all kinds of timber tones in my search, but none was near, so I would be glad to hear if there are other brands or websites for such picks.
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07-31-2013 11:26 AM
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I would then strongly suggest you to have a look at Dugain's picks: dugain_picks .
Originally Posted by Munk
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sounds like there is a jagged edge somewhere cutting into the string. could be the tuner hole or maybe the nut slot. you cold try filing or sanding.
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This is not normal, at all. You have a jagged edge, or burr or something that is causing this. I'd investigate the nut and the tuner post very carefully. You probably have a bit of metal around one of those two notches that is rough enough to cut through the string.
You may need to take the guitar to a shop for repairs.
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I will put on reading glasses and investigate. Maybe I can sand it with some fine paper I used for the nails when I played classical guitar. First I thought it was not caused by the edge in the whole, cause I wrap the string around three times before I put the string in the whole. But a sharp edge in the whole can of course touch the string. I guess I have to go to a shop when I put Thomastik 13's on, cause with the silk they seem too big for the tail piece.
Now I have used all my single 11's, and I don’t want to open a new packet every time, so I will buy more 11 strings. Is it possible to buy 11 flats or are they all the same?
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how many wraps do you put on the capstan?
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I hold the string tight and wrap around three times before I put it in the whole.
Maybe its very important to secure the roundings don’t lay on each other. I can play for hours and the string is fine. It only happens when I tune down and up again. The question about the 11 flats is if there is a difference btw a 11 flat and a 11 round string.Last edited by Munk; 07-31-2013 at 12:46 PM.
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I'm not sure I understand your question, Munk. The difference between a flat and a round is that...one is flat and the other is roundwound? There shouldn't be a difference in size since 0.11 is the size measurement of the high E. Usually the GBE strings will pretty pretty similar across string sets from flat to wound, although often flats are made of a different material. Originally Posted by Munk
It doesn't matter what you do before you put the string into the tuning peg hole if there is a burr on the tuning peg hole. If any part of it breaks, the whole thing is going to unravel pretty quickly.
You should look at the nut, too.
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This is not normal .........If it always busts in the same place , you can usually track this down to a rough spot Originally Posted by Munk
or burr on the tuner use your finger and a magnifying glass to find it ,
then get a small rounded file and remove the burr if you can't find it , put on a new tuner !
I had to do this on a fret end that was annoying the hell out of me, it was invisible to the eye
but the finger found it easily
the top E and second string B are the same ie plainif there is a difference between flat and round first strings or if they are all flat?
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My question about the flat/round came out of, that I can feel difference with my finger on the bass strings, while all GB strings are flat on the outside. I think I once read smth about a round core, but I guess E strings are the same inside/outside, though I would rather ask a stupid question than buying a wrong safety stock, and now you also point out, that flats are often made of different material.
I’m a typical office guy and not sure how to sand it, but I maybe I can find a round metal file in a DIY store.
About the nut, I don't know what to do. It's not there it breaks, but it could be worn in there.
Edit: This was a reply to ecj, and written before I saw pingu answered my considerations about how to file it.Last edited by Munk; 07-31-2013 at 01:58 PM.
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Once you restring your guitar, maybe send a pick of your headstock showing the way you've done it.
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Sorry, didn't read your question close enough. Originally Posted by Munk
I'd probably err on the side of bringing this to a tech and save yourself the hours of annoyance trying to chase the burr down. You'll end up spending as much money buying replacement strings as you will paying someone $20-30 to solve the problem for good.I’m a typical office guy and not sure how to sand it, but I maybe I can find a round metal file in a DIY store.
About the nut, I don't know what to do. It's not there it breaks, but it could be worn in there.
Edit: This was a reply to ecj, and written before I saw pingu answered my considerations about how to file it.
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ecj
Even $50 would be very cheap. Last time I went to a tech with a guitar, I asked him to do smth about a buzz on a ES175. I said it was probably coming from the pickup. He said it was an expensive guitar, had shining $ eyes, but promised it would be max. 200$ or otherwise he would call before he proceeded.
Nobody called from the shop, so after two weeks I called him. He said he had now glued the bindings and gathered cables inside, but still there was some buzz to work on. I told him again I was pretty sure it was all comming from the pickup, and he replied he had not yet done anything with them! When I picked up the guitar the bill was 400$, and nobody had warned me that it exceeded our agreed max.
At other times I have not been happy with setups in shops, so I will go far to do it myself. And now I'm very happy because I have learned to do the setups, when I get a new guitar, after changes in humidity etc.Last edited by Munk; 07-31-2013 at 03:06 PM.
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Yikes - what a terrible experience! Around Chicago, where I live, there are a lot of shops that do $40-50 setups and quick work for less.
I always do my own setups, too, but with something like buzzes or spurs I think it's best to find a local tech to work with. I have a limited amount of practice time, and I don't want to spend it trying to learn how to be a luthier.
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I just tuned down and up four times to find the perfect combination, and two other strings bursted (A and B). It's always near the whole in the tuner and I can feel a sharp edge there with my finger. It's definetely not rounded. So solution may be to find the tiny round file or change the tuners. I guess I'm soon done with all my setup experiments and strings may not break so easily when they rest.
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Can't help but think somethings not correct with the way you string your guitar up.
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Why are you tuning down and then back up so often?
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I have strung other guitars many times the same way, tuned up and down and rarely breaked strings. Also one of the strings which was on when I recieved it, and not strung by me, breaked the first time I tuned it.
The reasons why I have changed setup a lot these days is, that first I thought the guitar had higher action that it could get and also the relief seemed a lot, (I'm often on the edge of tendonitis). Then I changed gauge, and wanted to find the lowest possible string height without any buzz at all. Later I realised it was nice to pick harder – it is much more acoustic than what I use to play - but then I got buzzing a few places, so once more I wanted to find the best combination of height and relief, in other words the lowest possible action.
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Dumb suggestion, perhaps, but make sure your tuner is set to A = 440 and not something wacky (sharp).
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@rpguitar
Not dumb at all, but I tested it right away, and it was not the case.
I think it's the sharp edges in the holes also after I compared them with my other guitars. By the way, there is less tendency to break the strings if I tune up very slowly.
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There you go ! its the tuners Originally Posted by Munk
That is terrible and should NOT happen what make are they ???
That sharp edge around the hole is a definite design fault
I'd just change the tuners , if I were you
I had some self locking Gotoh tuners that broke strings .... and yes it is really really annoying !
Just throw them in the bin and put on some good tuners
Schaller ,
Sperzal
Grover
Kluson etc
Waverly for open back
There's plenty of good ones around
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@Pingu
They are grover tuners, which should be fine, so it could be a failure in a batch.
I bought the guitar on the internet and the shop is many hours from here, so I think I will try to repair them myself.
If I can't find a tiny round file, maybe they can be rounded with a metal drill.
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I bolded that bittwo other strings bursted (A and B). It's always near the whole in the tuner and I can feel a sharp edge there with my finger. It's definetely not rounded. So solution may be to find the tiny round file or change the tuners.
Grovers huh ?
On a peerless .........
Man thats a baaaad advert for Grovers
I mean B A D , are they really genuine Grovers on a peerless ?
If so I'm shocked . I mean a tuner is not rocket science
Its an easy design to get right , there's not that much to a tuner
but sharp edges is definately not on the design list
When did the world go effin crazy ...
Its run by freekin marketing types with freekin suits who get all the money
the engineers who design this stuff would NEVER release a product like that
When did the world go freekin crazy
Sorry , I'm freekin loosing it these days man
jesus christ on a bike
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Well, it's the name written on them and also in some advertisings. Originally Posted by pingu
About the world beeing crazy, I just try being as unaffected and calm as possible like Buddha on on a bike
A part of the string breaking problem is maybe, that the string travels a little longer than on some other guitars?
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Originally Posted by Munk
Well, it's the name written on them and also in some advertisings.
About the world beeing crazy, I just try being as unaffected and calm as possible like Buddha on on a bike
Yeah sorry about the rant everyone .......... Hey its only a tuner right ?
Sometimes it just bubbles up .............I'll try that Buddha thing
or maybe chant like a Monk ?
No its not that , its the sharp edge thingA part of the string breaking problem is maybe, that the string travels a little longer than on some other guitars?
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