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I recently moved and everything's disorganized so I don't know how soon I'll be going through my CD collection, but now I'll think about it and will post back soon as I can identify which ones.
Originally Posted by Klatu
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10-05-2012 09:46 AM
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Although this is very off-topic it seems like an interesting discussion...
I always associated early-burrell to the tweed RVG sound and later burrell to a blackface sound on records (live sometimes a Twin others a poly)... this is from records / youtube / foruns info as I live in Europe and never seen him live.
And I am not an expert on his discography so I imagine he can have recorded with is Poly but I never heard it... it's just I always put him on the bright tube side of the force
(unlike guys like martino / hall / pass who clearly converted to the dark poly sound after starting with tubes, although jim already had a dark sound even with tubes).
Last edited by jorgemg1984; 10-05-2012 at 10:26 AM.
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Now that tweet sound seems interesting. How's he get that?
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I meant tweed... in the 50s / 60s the amp at the Blue Note studio (Rudy Van Gelder records) was a Tweed Deluxe which has a fat clean sound with just an occasional hint of breakup... burrell and green recorded with that sound a lot.
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anyways, moving on, anyone know a good setting for that Kenny Burrell sound using the DRRI?
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Deluxe Reverb Reissue. I've said this several times on several forums, but I have no idea what kind of drummers of you guys play with. I've played large rooms with a horn section and a drummer and never had this amp break up at all. I'm sure it would if needed, but turned up to "3" has generally been enough beautiful clean tone for even outdoor gigs. 22 watts is perfect.
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A guitar player here used to gig with one and it reached break up point a lot... not that hard. For drummers I would need at least something in the vibrolux area (35w), sometimes a twin. Or ss amps which is waht I use
The main difference I hear between RI amps and older ones is the treble - the RI ones seem to always have piercing highs no matter what (even the ones with bright switch off).
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Oops, didn't mean to post twice. I'll give you the treble point, I normally have bass on 9, treble on 6, and my tone knob rolled back sometimes as much as 50%. Still give the DRRI points over the other amps originally mentioned in the post, before Kenny Burrell took over. I personally think that some of Kenny's old recordings have a Gibson amp tone. I wonder how much he really even cared, He probably just plugged into whatever amp was in the studio and still sounded like Kenny Burrell. Didn't he have a signature amp with Heritage?
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I think that gibson tone you mention is the tweed deluxe... but I don't have enough experience with both.
I understand why people love the DRRI but my ideal fender jazz amp is the deluxe with 6l6 and 40w. Some small mods to the original fender idea and I would be done One day...
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Just an idea, but if it doesn't have to be a Fender, an Alessandro Working Dog Rottweiler is pretty close to what you're describing Jorge. 40W, 6L6s, about 14 kgs (that's with a ceramic jensen) and there are 2 settings/voicings (Jangly/Creamy) that give you both Fender sparkle and a darker, fatter type tone (not exactly Polytone but if you boost the mids definitely close). I think I read in one of your posts that you're going to NYC some time next year-see if you can try one out. Used they will be less than $1000 so a pretty good bargain compared to a custom build. Great build quality too with top notch components (Rob Wienbrock serviced mine and was pretty impressed). Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
I think that gibson tone you mention is the tweed deluxe... but I don't have enough experience with both.
I understand why people love the DRRI but my ideal fender jazz amp is the deluxe with 6l6 and 40w. Some small mods to the original fender idea and I would be done One day...
http://www.alessandro-products.com/w...ttweiler_2.jpgLast edited by IbanezAS100; 10-05-2012 at 05:33 PM. Reason: added review link
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Hi themis!
Yes, I am going to new york in the summer next year
I actually already have my amp in mind and a friend to do it here in portugal: 6l6, 40w, 1x12 WGS-65 or C Rex, three-knob reverb in both channels, channel 1 baxandall, channel two blackface... probably the more closed back possible for a tube combo (it should sound great!!) But right now I have an henriksen head, jazzmaster ultralight head, two nice Dr Z cabs and I am getting a mambo (plus the stock jmul cab) so.. One day
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Hey, your dream amp sounds great but you're pretty much sorted already... Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
Hi themis!
Yes, I am going to new york in the summer next year
I actually already have my amp in mind and a friend to do it here in portugal: 6l6, 40w, 1x12 WGS-65 or C Rex, three-knob reverb in both channels, channel 1 baxandall, channel two blackface... probably the more closed back possible for a tube combo (it should sound great!!) But right now I have an henriksen head, jazzmaster ultralight head, two nice Dr Z cabs and I am getting a mambo (plus the stock jmul cab) so.. One day
NYC sounds even better, I'm going for Christmas 2013. We (jazzers) all have to go on our pilgrimage I suppose...if only Jim Hall still gave private lessons!
Definitely update us on the Mambo when you get it, we need to hear some sound clips!
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Yeah that's my thing... when I had the amp designed in my mind I didn't need it. One day I hope I have some spare cash and I will get one! Originally Posted by IbanezAS100
I agree everyone who is serious about jazz should spend some time in NYC. My friend is there to stay so it will become an annual visit! Yeah having a class with Jim hall would be great...i might do some with Bernstein and Lund but they are usually expensive and I am not sure they are worth it.
I will do a proper post when I have the mambo, I hope it's by the end of the year, maximum early 2013.
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