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you think 80 seconds is enough for anything significant?
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06-09-2011 04:18 PM
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Well, yes I do - it's enough to put down a full chorus of chords for many standards, and even those with longer sequences could be broken down into sections. I am chiefly interested in the looper as a practice tool, rather than for performance use. I realise that many separate looper units have much longer times, plus a lot of other features, but I don't know that I want to get into that kind of stuff at the moment, and I do have to consider cost!
Originally Posted by jzucker
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I would have had a Roland Cube a long time ago if it wasn't for one thing: It has no fx loop that I can put my volume pedal in!! I think it's so strange that it doesn't, being fance with the looper and aux in and all.
It's a nice little amp for practicing though.
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why can't you put your vol pedal in front of it?
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Doesn't work for high gain distortion, that's when I'd really need to control the volume. Originally Posted by jzucker
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Depends on what you mean by high gain I guess. Larry Carlton has always used a volume pedal in front of his boogie, his dumble and his fender. If you put the volume pedal at the end of your effect chain it should work fine. Are you planning on using the modeler's high gain tone? Originally Posted by MortenFaerestrand
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Originally Posted by jzucker
Volume before high gain distorted pre amp=change the amound of distortion, and to some degree change the volume when the gain gets low enough.
Volume after pre amp=change volume without changing amount of distortion.
Two very different things, when I need to be really in control of these things I bring two volume pedals, one before and one after the pre amp/distortion pedal.
And by the way, the volume pedal does not go after the effect chain, it goes before reverb or delay so that it doesnt kill the tail, for example when I do volume swells.
I'm guessing that if Larry Carlton used the distortion from his amp, his other effects were in the amps fx loop.. (with the obvious exeption of compressor/wah etc if he used that)
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Hi,
I have bought Roland for a very same reasons about year ago. Good jazz sound (in JC settings + some nice sounds for jazz i can get from modelleing section). But i also something to play blues, rock, fushion.
Amp does it all really, really well. The main, and only drawback in my opinion is lack of fx loop. As built-in fx are good for practice, but not top shelf this hurts a lot. Be aware that You probably want to have Boss footswitch to use looper - an it's feature again are enough for practice, and not so well for live.
i like a lot this overdriven and distorted sound, not compare to tube, but very responsive and dynamic.
For money You cannot get any better.
In case of any other questions - let me know
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Meggy, I don't know if this solution would work for you but the Mustang amps come with a free license to Ableton Live recording software that you can use to record tracks via a usb cable from the amp to your computer. I haven't had a chance to try this yet but would like to see how well it works. Maybe this weekend. Originally Posted by Meggy
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I guess each player has different requirements. I use the volume pedal right after my guitar but some folks like it at the end of their chain if they use distortion or overdrive effects. I agree that it should have a loop but at $350 USD they probably made a marketing decision to leave it out.
Originally Posted by MortenFaerestrand
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That's some really useful insight there, thanks very much vittigo. I think the lack of an FX loop will not be a big issue for me. On the few occasions I do use distortion/chorus/delay and all that stuff (for fusion-ish sounds mainly) I generally just have an old pedal board used in front of the amp, with the amp on a clean setting. I've always been very happy with the sound I get that way. The boss footswitch is a good point to make too - I'll factor that in to any money calculations I do, cheers. Originally Posted by vittigo
Hi,
I have bought Roland for a very same reasons about year ago. Good jazz sound (in JC settings + some nice sounds for jazz i can get from modelleing section). But i also something to play blues, rock, fushion.
Amp does it all really, really well. The main, and only drawback in my opinion is lack of fx loop. As built-in fx are good for practice, but not top shelf this hurts a lot. Be aware that You probably want to have Boss footswitch to use looper - an it's feature again are enough for practice, and not so well for live.
i like a lot this overdriven and distorted sound, not compare to tube, but very responsive and dynamic.
For money You cannot get any better.
In case of any other questions - let me know
It is a good point to make, cheers for that thought. Let me know if you do test it out! Thanks Originally Posted by Al_F
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I am fairly new here and really love it. I used to spend hours each day on the Tele forum before I switched to jazz. This thread has reminded me of the biggest problem with forums....
When I got to work this morning, I didn't know that I absolutely HAD to have either a Roland Cube or Ibanez Wholetone (both of which I've researched since first reading this thread). Now, I not only have to have one of them, but can't decide which one.
You're killing me!
PS - maybe I should get a job that doesn't allow me to surf the web all day.
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It really does kill you doesn't it? Not the best place to cure the old "acquisition syndrome"! FWIW I do think the Wholetone looks to be fantastic as a dedicated jazz amp. I know from experience that the Roland is also very good for jazz too. But have you considered the merits of the Fender Mustang 3? I found this demo on YouTube where the guy plays a few jazz chords on a clean '65 Twin patch, and gets a good jazz tone for my money (from about 3 minutes 50 seconds in on the clip): The price is really keen for this amp, might save you a bit of cash too. Just a thought though, apologies if I'm complicating things... Originally Posted by djelley
I am fairly new here and really love it. I used to spend hours each day on the Tele forum before I switched to jazz. This thread has reminded me of the biggest problem with forums....
When I got to work this morning, I didn't know that I absolutely HAD to have either a Roland Cube or Ibanez Wholetone (both of which I've researched since first reading this thread). Now, I not only have to have one of them, but can't decide which one.
You're killing me!
PS - maybe I should get a job that doesn't allow me to surf the web all day.
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Has anyone bought or tried out the Wholetone? I haven't seen one in the flesh yet.
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I just got back from our local music store where I compared the Wholetone 80 to the Roland Cube 80XL. They are virtually the same price. Originally Posted by djelley
I am fairly new here and really love it. I used to spend hours each day on the Tele forum before I switched to jazz. This thread has reminded me of the biggest problem with forums....
When I got to work this morning, I didn't know that I absolutely HAD to have either a Roland Cube or Ibanez Wholetone (both of which I've researched since first reading this thread). Now, I not only have to have one of them, but can't decide which one.
You're killing me!
PS - maybe I should get a job that doesn't allow me to surf the web all day.
IMHO, the Wholetone has much better tone (for jazz) but has none of the extra features that the Roland had (if you wanted access to those features).
I was impressed with the Wholetone.
Cheers
Dave
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That was fast! Does the Wholetone remind you of a Polytone?
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Oh bloody hell! Originally Posted by Greco
Now I want a Roland Cube 80XL/Fender Mustang 3 AND an Ibanez Wholetone 80! You are not helping matters at all, but thanks anyway for the interesting words re the Wholetone 80. I don't think there has been any kind of review of this amp on the forum yet - can I tempt you into saying a bit more about your impressions?
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We were typing at the same time...LOL Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
Sorry, I can't comment as I have virtually no experience with a Polytone.
Cheers
Dave
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For me, the Polytone is warmer and richer sounding than the Roland, perhaps it colours the sound more, but in a very nice way. Does that sound at all like the difference you found with the Wholetone? Originally Posted by Greco
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I am not much of a guitarist....but I do think that I have a reasonably good ear for tone. Originally Posted by Meggy
Oh bloody hell! Now I want a Roland Cube 80XL/Fender Mustang 3 AND an Ibanez Wholetone 80! You are not helping matters at all, but thanks anyway for the interesting words re the Wholetone 80. I don't think there has been any kind of review of this amp on the forum yet - can I tempt you into saying a bit more about your impressions?
I had on of the sales reps play and I adjusted various settings on the two amps. He played an Ibanez AK 80.
In the end we both agreed that the tone from the Wholetone was much fuller and richer sounding.
It was very responsive, but might seem a bit "boomy" to some.
He felt that if someone was wanting an amp for jazz only the Wholetone was a much better choice. I agree.
However, understand that I am not a "features" oriented person (beyond a dash of reverb) and this might be a significant factor from your perspective...as the Wholetone has only basic features.
Cheers
Dave
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Cheers Greco! Much appreciated. The Polytone only really does jazz too, not unlike the Wholetone. It sounds to me like the Wholetone could be like a Polytone, but even more so! I'm really looking for an amp that can do jazz well (as a back-up to my Polytone), but also cover other sound areas which I'm occasionally asked to do. So probably the Wholetone is not for me at the moment, but I wish I could afford to buy both as it does sound a fabulous amp from what you say.
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Here's the thing - I used to own a '65 Deluxe Reverb and thought it was perfect. Then I heard a Super Sonic which to me, sounds every bit as good as the Deluxe on the clean channel, and has absolutely amazing overdrive on the "burn" channel. So now I have a Super Sonic. Originally Posted by Meggy
It really does kill you doesn't it? Not the best place to cure the old "acquisition syndrome"! FWIW I do think the Wholetone looks to be fantastic as a dedicated jazz amp. I know from experience that the Roland is also very good for jazz too. But have you considered the merits of the Fender Mustang 3? I found this demo on YouTube where the guy plays a few jazz chords on a clean '65 Twin patch, and gets a good jazz tone for my money (from about 3 minutes 50 seconds in on the clip): The price is really keen for this amp, might save you a bit of cash too. Just a thought though, apologies if I'm complicating things...
I also have a Peavey Viper for modeling and just goofing around, and a Fender G-DEC 3 for additional goofing around. I do a LOT of goofing around.
Now I feel like I want a really good, dedicated amp for jazz and I guess the Wholetone wins. Do I need any of them? No. But I have made peace with my GAS. I'll let you all know when I get my Wholetone.
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Sounds like the Wholetone is the one for you - I don't blame at all you either! I have yet to get into the modelling amp thing, so I kind of like the Mustang 3 (and I already have the Polytone, as already stated). Please do post your impressions of the Wholetone though - I might end up with one of these too one day, who knows? Originally Posted by djelley
Here's the thing - I used to own a '65 Deluxe Reverb and thought it was perfect. Then I heard a Super Sonic which to me, sounds every bit as good as the Deluxe on the clean channel, and has absolutely amazing overdrive on the "burn" channel. So now I have a Super Sonic.
I also have a Peavey Viper for modeling and just goofing around, and a Fender G-DEC 3 for additional goofing around. I do a LOT of goofing around.
Now I feel like I want a really good, dedicated amp for jazz and I guess the Wholetone wins. Do I need any of them? No. But I have made peace with my GAS. I'll let you all know when I get my Wholetone.
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I'd certainly like to hear what others think of the Wholetone 80 also. Originally Posted by Meggy
....Please do post your impressions of the Wholetone though - I might end up with one of these too one day, who knows?
Maybe someone could thoroughly test it out and start a specific "Wholetone 80" thread.
Cheers
Dave
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I just checked out the street price for these two amps:
Roland 80XL: $370
Ibanez Wholetone: $380
Pretty darn close!
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