Peter Bernstein's effect pedal

[nevershouldhavesoldit]

I emailed 30thstreet guitars for more info here is their reply:

Here is a quick guide to the pedal
They are $185
Emulates the capacitance of an old guitar cable

Hmmmm. Why not just use a high capacitance cable? Here's a list of the capacitance of many currently available cables. They range from 52 to 190 pf / meter, and the values are taken from manufacturers' literature (except for George L's). There are also several very interesting and useful links st the bottom of that page to associated factors.

It's very interesting to see that some of the most popular and/or most expensive cables have the highest capacitance.

[bluejaybill]

I like more control than what I am seeing here. I'm sure it's enough for lots of folks though.

For me, the ideal would be high/low shelves (Baxandall type) with a fully parametric mid band.

That's how I use the Empress, and basically I don't use any more than that, though the Empress can do a lot more.

You can control the bass and treble with the shelves, and use the mid to either tame a problem frequency, or fatten or thin the sound.

Shelves are very neutral, musical and phase coherent, simple to use. The controls we've been using on stereo receivers all our lives.

A single midband doesn't seem to cause much problem either if it's done right, and preferably out of the signal chain when not used.

[omphalopsychos]

For someone who is anti pedal, I'm surprised PB going for the most snake-oily boutique weirdo pedal I've ever heard of. Those kinds where (according to the commercial) "you can hardly hear it but you can tell when its off".

[Christian Miller]

For someone who is anti pedal, I'm surprised PB going for the most snake-oily boutique weirdo pedal I've ever heard of. Those kinds where (according to the commercial) "you can hardly hear it but you can tell when its off".

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[DawgBone]

For someone who is anti pedal, I'm surprised PB going for the most snake-oily boutique weirdo pedal I've ever heard of. Those kinds where (according to the commercial) "you can hardly hear it but you can tell when its off".

Tbh those are my favorite kind of pedals but that particular pedal is a bit of a strange choice. Subtle spices are usually the nicest tho so maybe there is something to his choice. I don't like pedals that alter the character of the amp itself but rather blend with, and complement the tone of it.

[floatingpickup]

Pedal removes high frequency, it's not a Tone control as such.

No, the Boughton Audio (Low Pass Filter) Pedal removes high frequencies, it is not a Tone control pedal.

Quote "The Low Pass Filter pedal can be used for taming harsh high end such as fret buzz, string noise, and artifacts from other effects "

Below is the Passive Tone Control pedal you could use, it's inexpensive and easily made by any Pedal Builder or DIY enthusiast. It's simpler to use than the popular Active Boss 7 band EQ pedal and needs no battery.


Edit: Passive Tone Control pedal = volume loss.

Can someone explain in general terms, for those of us who don’t have a lot of electronics knowledge, the difference between a tone control, a Low Pass Filter and an EQ pedal. It seems to me, from reading this thread, that the only thing that truly removes the high frequencies and sends them to ground is a tone control. It would be nice if that same effect could be achieved with something external to the guitar. Maybe build a box with a passive tone control to plug in between the guitar and the amp?
Keith

[Doug B]

Hmmmm. Why not just use a high capacitance cable? Here's a list of the capacitance of many currently available cables. They range from 52 to 190 pf / meter, and the values are taken from manufacturers' literature (except for George L's). There are also several very interesting and useful links st the bottom of that page to associated factors.

It's very interesting to see that some of the most popular and/or most expensive cables have the highest capacitance.

Aren't curly cords have high capacitance cable? I seem to remember (about a million years ago ) reading that that was why Jimi used curly cords-he liked their sound better.

[Cunamara]

According to Bill Lawrence, Jimi Hendrix's curly cables had a capacitance of about 3000 pF per foot. That's startlingly high and I wonder if it wasn't actually 300 pF per foot, maybe a typo. Bill made the case that the curly cable winding added to the capacitance over and above the innate capacitance of the wire. The capacitance provided by the cable will lower the resonant frequency of the pickup and reduce high end frequency reaching the amplifier. You can find online modeling programs that will graph this out for you. One knob of this box seems to be aimed at doing the same thing, basically varying how long the effective cable is. Bill Lawrence also noted that when Jimi wanted a bright, clean tone he used a short straight cable. I suspect this is a pot with a very small value capacitor in the picofarad range compared to the microfarad range used in a tone control circuit.

When Pete is using his Vibrolux, he has some grit in the tone. If he's using a backline Twin, there's going to be less of that so he might also like the grit side of the circuit. I really don't know what a passive circuit that would add "soft" clipping might look like, no doubt someone else on the forum will have an idea. I have heard of running the signal through an LED as one way to accomplish this, but I don't know if that really works (you can read a lot of things on the Internet that are complete BS).

A lot of wireless systems include a circuit to model the effect of cable capacitance, since there is none in a wireless system where there is no cable.

[garybaldy]

According to Bill Lawrence, Jimi Hendrix's curly cables had a capacitance of about 3000 pF per foot. That's startlingly high and I wonder if it wasn't actually 300 pF per foot. Bill made the case that the curly cable winding added to the capacitance over and above the innate capacitance of the wire. The capacitance provided by the cable will lower the resonant frequency of the pickup and reduce high and frequency reaching the amplifier. you can find online modeling programs that will graph this out for you. One knob of this box seems to be aimed at doing the same thing, basically varying how long the effective cable is. Bill Lawrence also noted that when Jimi wanted a bright, clean tone he used a short straight cable.

When Pete is using his Vibrolux, he has some grit in the tone. If he's using a backline Twin, there's going to be less of that so he might also like the grit side of the circuit.

A lot of wireless systems include a circuit to model the effects of cable capacitance, since there is none in a wireless system where there is no cable.

I set my Line 6 g10s wireless on 30' cable.

[Cunamara]

I have never tried a wireless system. Is that setting overtly noticeable? It certainly seems like it could be.

[garybaldy]

I have never tried a wireless system. Is that setting overtly noticeable? It certainly seems like it could be.

The g10s without the virtual cable setting is very noticably glassy - almost unpleasant. There is a shorter (10'?) virtual cable setting than the 30' but I find the 30' very good. It's the goldilocks setting.

[Bach5G]

I asked Peter about two pedals he had on stage with him tonight.

He said the small red one (likely what was shown in the photos) was an eq to roll off some of the highs. The large green one was wedged under the amp, a Fender Deluxe, to tilt it back a bit.