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Originally Posted by Jazzism
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05-25-2022 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by kris
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" Time to practice my rock phrasing." Jimmy blue note
Hi, J,
That won't take long! Just play "originals" and no one can criticize you . . . well . . . perhaps that's a little strong!
Marinero
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Originally Posted by Marinero
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
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Originally Posted by kris
Thanks Kris. How'd you FIND this clip?
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
if we assume that system is at the height of compositional technique, and if technique is the most important element, then why would I listen to anything else.
However, music is a mixture of so many elements. What I am drawn to, is how those elements are utilized. If an artist uses those elements in a certain way, that is akin to my own particular understanding of art, I dig it.
My own vision/spirit/voice is what I am trying to actualize in my art. (I am lucky, that my spirit is also commercially viable, to a certain degree). My like or dislike is not based on a set of cannon-ish rules, but an personal language. There is no, “my road, or the highway”, but a “all roads lead to Rome”.
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Regarding criticism: it can be an important tool. It can allow someone to bring to consciousness, elements that are not noticed by the progenitor. However, it can also be completely destructive (in a negative sense... destruction is a tricky thing, sometimes it is very important... I have many thought about that but that not topical).
For criticism to be positive, the person offering the criticism has to have a knowledgeable vision. That understanding needs to be explained and not held as truth but as a possibility. .... hence, why the criticism we receive from non musicians sound crazy... if we have studied so hard, we better have a little more insight ...
Not that non-musicians criticism are meaningless. They have not developed the vocabulary to express themselves. They are really saying the same thing we are: my spirit/voice is akin or not akin to yours... I just realized that playing music live is like going on many dates all at the same time. That makes stage presence, like showing your best side and thoughtfully talking up yourself.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
from my own experience playing in these types of settings, I’m thinking this has very little to do with Charles on stage sound and everything to do with the mixing. The mix in the first video is terrible. The mix in the second is much much better (as one would expect) but a bit guitar dominant.
As far as the NPR thing goes, my experience would be that in the live-streaming game the mix has relatively little to do with the sound in the room. Everything is close miced or di’d.the mix is up to the engineer and clearly he/she likes guitar!
On the other hand the first vid was clearly just a mix from the desk, probably straight stereo out to a zoom recorder or something so the mix couldn’t be changed. I’ve done recordings like that and they are rarely ideal.
i don’t know why but sound engineers seem to like loud guitars. I had to send the mix for my album back a few times to get the guy to turn the guitar lower in the mix lol. And I’m the guitarist and band leader!
maybe it’s from listening to rock? Dunno.Last edited by Christian Miller; 05-25-2022 at 06:13 PM.
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I've seen videos in which the drummer (and many other instruments) were so loud that nothing else could be heard clearly. Usually it was because the recording equipment was a smartphone, positioned next to the drums (or the trombone, or whatever). It's hard to get a balanced recording outside the studio, which faithfully reproduces what the band heard, and the individual band members rarely hear what the audience hears.
As for Altura, he's not my favorite guitarist. But neither are most of the others. If only my favorites, or even those I enjoy listening to, were allowed to perform, 99.9999999999999999999% of the worlds guitarists would be doing something else. The center of the universe is elsewhere, and while my opinions are valid for me, I'm not the only person on earth with opinions.
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Originally Posted by sgosnell
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Honestly, I don't get all the angst about Marinero's critique. This is just an informal message board where people are expressing opinions. I don't see the problem.
Jazz is a wide art form with a long history and diverse voices. I doubt any of us like all of it. Wynton Marsalis probably also has a very strong opinion on what is good jazz and what isn't.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
A very correct way of thinking.
Blaming the guitarist for the proportions in the final mix is an absurd.
YouTube concerts are not CDs.The fact that these are digital recordings does not mean that the overall mix is good.
I had a live recorded once and I didn't publish it on YouTube because my guitar was too loud...
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Originally Posted by charlieparker
In my opinion, this is a specific place.
Sometimes it is difficult to guess the critic's intentions.
And the critic himself does it in a controversial way: this is the internet.
Where have I heard this?
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Originally Posted by charlieparker
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Originally Posted by Jazzism
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Originally Posted by Jazzism
I mean the musicians' comments about musicians.
"Rock guitarst"-is it something reprehensible?
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by Jazzism
There was probably a discussion about Pat Metheny on the forum, who spoke critically about another musician.
Similarly, J. Pastorius was quite critical about playing a famous guitarist ... etc.
Do you have to worry about it?
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Originally Posted by kris
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I don’t see what the problem is here. Faceless keyboard warriors are always going to be taken less seriously than Wynton etc. i see a lot of opinions on this forum and they are mostly like white noise tbh.
Some people come across as a bit close minded and snobby, but I’m not going to change that am I?
OTOH it’s ok, in fact I think desirable not to like everything. Taste and preference is part of being a creative person.
As for myself, I often feel a bit critical about other players, but increasingly I refrain from voicing it publicly because I think it’s a little man’s spirited and I don’t see the point really. I think it can be more hurtful to pros than you might think to come across negative comments too (if it can up in a web search or something) but that’s (a crappy) part of the job I suppose.
I don’t think it adds much to the world, that energy should go into focussing on stuff I do like and learning from it. But that’s my choice.
(Besides it probably reflects more on me than it does on the player I’m criticising half of the time!)
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Jeez, Everyone seems so busy rushing in with their own thoughts, they’re not comprehending what’s being written. Who’s saying it’s not ok not to like everything? Think that’s been pretty well established.
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I don't know what's going on - it's the internet ...
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