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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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01-12-2021 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by grahambop
Playing ballads like Blue In Green in that style? Not work for me...but who knows.
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I can’t play manouche style, just trying to play bop style keeps me busy enough!
I saw Remi Harris a few years ago and he was so inspiring that I was tempted to get one of those Gitane guitars. I spoke to him and he said he was just playing one of the cheap basic models - he made it sound amazing. But eventually I realised I wouldn’t really play it enough to justify it.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
I was interested more in that syle few years ago...I played with French violinist who got violin from S.Grappelli.
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Straying off topic, but I do think the Django style guitars are more versatile than people think, particularly the D hole models...
But back on topic, I'll even start it if people would play along-- a JAZZ standards thread. Benny Golson tunes, Monk tunes, Shorter tunes, that kind of stuff. Music written by jazz musicians.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
John
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LOL now you did MrB.... Your on, I'll gladly play along...
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I met Birelli Lagrene about 25 years ago ...he play everything in every style.
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Originally Posted by Reg
I'd run it completely differently than the Practical Standards. I don't want to compete with that thread, which is about going deep with a tune for a month. That's really valuable.
This would be all about improvisation. We'd rattle off tunes at a much quicker pace, people would be sometimes playing stuff they weren't super familiar with--like an actual jam session. It wouldn't be about playing the melody (though of course it's good to know!) or coming up with an arrangement-- it'd be about improvising on a tune, with a track, drumgenius, metronome, or just acapella. Finished polished products unimportant. We could discuss form, how to internalize tunes quickly, etc.
What do you all think?
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Okay. But at how quickly a rate? Is 'rattling things off' good for learning?
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Being able to internalize a tune quickly is a skill. Nothing says you can't go back and go deeper.
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If it's the kind of thing that could be done solo or chord-melody, then I'm in. I expect I would prefer these songs to the other standards group.
My new years goal is to focus on solo playing, but I don't want to be stuck solely to an arrangement.
The challenge of improvising new tunes would be great...though my performance won't be.
And I know I've said it before, but I will post this time. Lawson's posts and progress have been an inspiration.
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Maybe weekly, but even that might be too quick for some people, especially chord melody players.
(But I think the idea of different kinds of tunes is excellent).
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Originally Posted by ragman1
It could be completely possible that we have waaaay too much going on in the first place.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Not saying it can't be done, but my own interest in these is simply to learn more of these jazz originals because when I play with others, they are likely to get called and I want to be able to handle them in an ensemble. Perhaps a fast pace will be good, covering more tunes, but I think it will be a challenge for the solo players to play these in rapid succession.
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By the way there’s quite a nice list of post-1950 standards here:
List of post-1950 jazz standards - Wikipedia
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Originally Posted by grahambop
Great list
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
So literally "Here's the tune" and everybody participating takes one or two choruses.
It's not a deep dive into a tune like the Practical Standards, it's more of a test of instincts. I would say "don't play the melody," even (not that you shouldn't know it, but keep it short)
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That list is great! Wish I could just copy and paste that into a playlist.
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I still think a tune's just a tune.
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Yea I'm in.
At some point most jazz musicians need to learn how to just play jazz tunes. If you start.... within 6 months, you'll actually be able play a chart thrown in front of you.... a few seconds to get the road map, or if a verbal head arrangement is called out by someone.. your ready, count it off.
Play a solo head arrangement and then go into some type of solo section. Again the point is you'll actually learn how to play in a jazz styles...
I think when we got the practical standards thread going.... I was hoping it would go in this direction.
Yea.. Mr B... I don't do the facebook thing. I'll help in any way you want me to.
Tune a week and if that too much for some... just pick one and do the best you can.
Rag... yes learning tunes quickly and eventually ....being able to perform a tune live the first time is what jazz players do. It's how you need to go about it. You'll learn that ... yes a tune is just a tune... but you'll begin to have plug and play options of how to perform tunes, lots of options, to the point that a single tune can become 10 different tunes off the top of your head.... with out rehearsing.
Yes not required but sure helps keep music fresh and FUN...
Elias Prinz -- young talent from Munich
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