View Poll Results: How many Charlie Parker tunes do you know?
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I don't know any
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A couple
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A half dozen or so
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At least a dozen, probably a few more
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Twenty, easy, probably more
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You know, this is so stupid. Broyale doesn't like Bird. So what? Who cares? He doesn't like him. Why should that if end ANYONE??? Taste is taste and is subjective. This shouldn't be done fascist fall in lock step with conventional opinion forum. The jazz police are heavily in force here. This is bullshit. I used to tell people I didn't like Bach, and I didn't. It offended the hell out if people. I grew to appreciate his music but WHO THE F CARES?????? LIVE AND LET LIVE.
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03-22-2015 01:11 PM
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03-22-2015, 01:14 PM #52Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by larry graves
I think "the flat earth society" would be way more appropriate for this forum.
DB
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03-22-2015, 01:17 PM #53destinytot GuestBroyale doesn't like Bird.
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Originally Posted by Broyale
Seriously, in that great list of your fave solos, I seriously doubt that a single one of those players did not worship at the altar of Parker at some point in their learning. "Modern" Jazz starts with Bird. Sure it's moved on in many directions since, but if you don't get what everyone sees as special in what Bird brought to Jazz, then you just don't get Jazz. You don't have to love it, but you do have to respect it.
There simply can be no ifs or buts on this, it's not even a subjective call, like saying if you don't like Joe Pass you don't like Jazz- on that one I'd say that is subjective. But not Parker, no way. Bird to Jazz is what the Bible is to Christianity!
Period.
Stop your deeply offensive trolling, you are spoiling a potentially good thread.
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Originally Posted by henryrobinett
i hear ya. Mahler isn't for everyone either. doesn't mean they don't appreciate great classical music.
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I think you guys are full of it. I really do.
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Originally Posted by larry graves
so you are not a believer in the Imitate, Assimilate, Innovate concept, we take it?
what learning path should the developing Improviser follow, or for that matter, Composer?Last edited by fumblefingers; 03-22-2015 at 01:37 PM.
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03-22-2015, 01:30 PM #58Dutchbopper Guest
Full of what?
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I definitely don't think the issue is not liking Bird here...Broyale's been having a tough relationship with this music...this has been going on for a while.
There's really nothing more irritating than somebody telling you that you need to like something. But it's also tough to take somebody seriously when they make a comment like the "raging hard on for Charlie Parker" biz too. Respecting the fact Parker changed music forever--and jazz today would not exist as it does--is not blimd "sheep" like following. Anybody with ears can hear it. And if you can't--just as those who like to argue here improvisation isn't the key thing about jazz--maybe JAZZ just ain't your bag.
Reg will post here from time to time saying "its music, we're not saving lives." Might be a good time for that perspective.
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
Guys like him ruin the forums for people who are actually real students of the instrument. And to Henry's ridiculous contention that we're all puppies and unicorns and rainbows....Sorry but no. There are established greats. They are established greats for a reason.
Also, only an attention-whore comes into a charlie parker thread and calls bird's playing vomit.
Got to be one of the most ignorant postings I've ever here and that's saying something.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
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We all let our guards/screens/filters down on internet forums. If we hang on for a second and imagine a human being in front of us instead of a computer screen, I think the whole thing is not actually so bad as it seems. No need to go too far.
Broyale if you're still hanging around this thread - wish you all the best from a fellow beginner!
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I think bullshit to try an force anyone by intimidation or calling ignorance when someone doesn't like a revered figure. People get their noses pushed out of shape. It happens to me. It's snobbery. He has the right to not like or like what he wants and we have nothing to do with it. We can accept it or not but we cannot change it. Not by force or ostracism or name calling. I admire Broyale's guts for saying what he did in the face of crys to the contrary. I happen to think Bird was a genius and changed the face of 20th century music. But SO WHAT???? The world is F'ed up because too many people are up in arms because THOSE OTHER PEOPLE have different opinions!!!
Geesus!!!!!Last edited by henryrobinett; 03-22-2015 at 02:01 PM.
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Originally Posted by jzucker
Nah...i don't think it's just trolling. Broyale's been having a tough time with jazz as a whole...i don't think he's yet reconciled with the fact that it takes a long time to become even passable as a player...there's been a lot of threads here where he's looked for outs...questioning some common knowledge/acceptances because he's not getting the results he wants. But he's not a bad guy, and not just here to start shit. But we gotta plenty of those people too. And some who just don't seem to really like jazz.
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03-22-2015, 01:52 PM #67Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by henryrobinett
DB
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03-22-2015, 01:53 PM #68destinytot GuestOriginally Posted by fumblefingers
Charlie Parker was an interesting person, but his music is a major turn-off for me and his solos are unlistenable.
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In the end, Henry's got the right idea.
It's also good advice for when you don't like somethimg, try to understand why...and if it's just not for you, that doesn't make it crap.
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
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Broyale's having a tough time accepting jazz on OUR terms. Maybe he's doing just fine on his own. I don't know.
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Well, it's a bit like walking into a bar in Bridgeport and screaming "white sox suck!" And then running out expecting folks are gonna pat you on the back and buy you a beer.
I mean, is it all stupid and meaningless in the end? Sure. But ya can't deny human nature...
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Originally Posted by henryrobinett
He could have just said he doesn't like Bird, then none of this would have happened.
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Not a fair comparison at all. Nobody here called each other's music vomit.
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03-22-2015, 02:16 PM #75Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by mr. beaumont
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