PSA for UK members

[Bill C]

some cool lots at Gardiner Houlgate’s next sale …Gardiner Houlgate | Upcoming Auctions

[jads57]

Interesting how much less newer and non American builds are started at. If I was a player vs. collector that Sontag will end up being quite the deal probably.

[ThatRhythmMan]

That Super 400 looks earlier than 1938. I’m assuming refinished since it looks so dark, but the hardware seems all original, so who knows. Maybe it’s the photography. I love those early ones with the small upper bout.


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[GuyBoden]

The Sonntag would be a bargain at the list price between £1,500 - £2,500.

I think the bids will be a lot higher. But, I know nothing.

[Rob MacKillop]

If I hadn't just bought an Eastman 910CE, I'd be after that Trenier. Doh!

[jads57]

Sell the Eastman,Lol!

[Archie]

Interesting how much less newer and non American builds are started at. If I was a player vs. collector that Sontag will end up being quite the deal probably.

I assume you’ve never been to one of these auctions?

The estimates are always low to entice bids. On rare and vintage they are high likely due to reserves.
People will bid from all over the world so it’s not a UK only affair.
i’ve seen guitars go for more on the hammer there, than you can buy one currently on ebay and in better condition.
They are usually a dumping ground for guitars shops couldn’t fix or sell.
There is almost no deals to be had and hence why I stopped bidding some time ago.
auctions attract speculators and people who think they’re getting a deal. This creates incentive that leads to most of the guitars being over priced on the hammer.

Don’t forget that estimate + 37% fees

I had my bubble burst a long time ago.

[Archie]

If I hadn't just bought an Eastman 910CE, I'd be after that Trenier. Doh!

I doubt very much that Trenier will go for anywhere near what you paid for your Eastman.
The lower estimates entice bids. Auction houses are good at what they do.

[Rob MacKillop]

I agree. I don't do auctions, and the 37% fee figure is too high. Bargains can be found, but it's a big gamble. You can't return it if you don't like it.

The Eastman arrives today...

[Heybopper]

The Trenier is 18 inch. They may have updated the listing but yesterday I sent an email to ask as it didn't say. I may have been tempted if it was 17 but ive found that if your playing loud on stage with no front of house sound then 16 or thin lines are better for feedback control.
I have never played an 18 inch but im guessing the feedback issue would be worse.

[Rob MacKillop]

That would have been too much for me also.

[GuyBoden]

I have never played an 18 inch but im guessing the feedback issue would be worse.

I have an 18inch Archtop with a thin carved spruce top, and yes, feedback is a problem playing live, but it sounds great as an acoustic instrument.

[gitman]

The Trenier is 18 inch. They may have updated the listing but yesterday I sent an email to ask as it didn't say. I may have been tempted if it was 17 but ive found that if your playing loud on stage with no front of house sound then 16 or thin lines are better for feedback control.
I have never played an 18 inch but im guessing the feedback issue would be worse.

This is exactly why I let go of an otherwise superb '62 Super-400CN, complete with an original DeArmond 1100 pickup.... Kenny Burrell used this setup for quite some time with taped f-holes (just like on his D'Angelico) which alters the overall sound too much for my taste. I am happy with my 16" plywood-topped models, perfect for all my Jazz gigs. At home a solid-top 17" would be nice to have but ....