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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
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02-11-2018 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
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Originally Posted by neatomic
There must've been something in the water in England in the mid-to-late 60's. Everybody wanted to pick up an electric guitar and wail away--mainly imitating American blues but some English folk thrown into the mix as well.
As far as the Americans, you had Jimi, Mike Bloomfield, Terry Kath...
I don't know where Zappa's guitar comes from. His playing is clearly blues-based but so outside the mainstream. I think that's why I have always dug it so much.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
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Originally Posted by neatomic
BTW I was under the impression McLaughlin was well known at that point as an R&B player as well as a jazzer? Maybe my info is bad.
Anyway, I always preferred Peter Green to Clapton, but my appreciation of Eric has grown as I've learned more about music. Green is still the absolute pinnacle of the Brit Blues players, to me.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
Not just England
A large proportion of the great blues and rock guitarists in London came from or spent time in West London, as well. Hounslow, Ealing, Twickenham places like that. Look it up, it's hilarious.
The environment produces the musician.
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Plus one on Green and Gallagher. It wasn't just the notes - although the notes were there, it was the feel, the throbbing soul. Which is not to diminish EC's work, which had both a-plenty, but Peter and Rory's tone, touch, and taste just spoke to me.
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big peter green fan...as killer a blues player as he was, he also had eclectic nuance...you can hear some hank marvin shadows in there...brilliant player
but his rhythm section mcvie/fleetwood were not of the same improvisatory/jazz level as bruce and baker..in cream all three players were edging each other on....so much propulsion!!!...thats how their infamous 17 minute live spoonful sounds so..dangerous!!
big fan of rory as well..but his early band -taste- was definitely cream inspired
funny just watched a recent interview with van halen..and he mentions that clapton was the only guitar player he ever really listened to early on...and mentioned (as i wrote ^) that they called him -god!! haha
cheers
ps -other great player i'd mention is gary moore...a tad bit later, but influenced by all the best...owned peter greens guitar...stunning blues player but also dabbled in fusiony stuff...and was good!
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Originally Posted by neatomic
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Originally Posted by neatomic
It's been said before, but I agree, Clapton the guitar God was his Gibson years. Once he switched to strat, that sound was gone, he's got mellow. More mature maybe, but less rocking and edgy.
Gary Moore was another monster who could sure play with the best of them, but I feel he was more popular in Europe. He sure was everyone's guitar hero in Russia. Anybody who wanted to play blues based solos looked up to him first.
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ps- in case anyone cares...its a great interview with eddie van halen...it's a very proper (smithsonian) interview...i was never a huge fan, (had already heard holdsworth & halsall) but props
cheers
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Well no offense to anyone, they're great guitarists--me and my mates were pretty eclectic back in the day but we had never heard of Rory or Peter Green or Gary Moore. Some guys just didn't make it across the Atlantic.
Or maybe EC had better management...
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Peter Green is a great musician but I never got into Fleetwood Mac.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
And yet, I don’t doubt him. Influence works in mysterious ways.
Allan Holdsworth loved Django, Charlie Christian and Jimmy Raney on guitar.
But both players looked beyond the guitar for inspiration....
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
Man, I'm just so inspired by those cats, more than I ever been by jazz guitarists... what am I doing here? lol
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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Not sure if this settles the issue of Frank being a "jazz guitarist", but it's the only Zappa story I have....
A few years ago I'm playing a duo gig at a wedding in a fancy mansion in Connecticut. A drunken guest wanders over to us on break, and loudly proclaims how much he loves all kinds of music, going on and on about all the stuff he listens to, not really talking to us but at us. At one point, he mentions that he just got the new Zappa box set and was listening to the albums on the drive here. The bassist, Jay Anderson, asks, "Which albums? Because I'm on a few of them...."
PK
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Originally Posted by paulkogut
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Originally Posted by paulkogut
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It was upright bass on our gig. Not sure about the Zappa sides. As one might guess, the drunk guy just kept talking about himself, so we never got to find out what Jay's experience of recording with FZ was like....
PK
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Originally Posted by paulkogut
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
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Getting back to Zappa, Arthur Barrow's Autobiography is a good read.
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