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I've started making this transition from fingers to pick and fingers . At this point I'm far less concerned about speed than accuracy and also the ability to play block chords with pick and fingers ( basically, Triads, four note open voicings, split voicings and spread voicings ).
It seems to be an elementary proposition that I need to have the pick and fingers at least do with the fingers can do before I can utilize the pick for lines . Still trying to get the C finger in shape , it's coming along slowly. It would help if the goddamn nails in the A and C fingers would stop breaking .
I think the point of using the P and I joints as the loci of control as opposed to the wrist (most Players, I presume) or elbow (Johnny Smith) is it supposed to give you far more accuracy but you have to develop the volume .
It seems to be a classical guitar proposition in so far as it wastes the fewest energy and motion .
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04-09-2017 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PMB
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Originally Posted by destinytot
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Originally Posted by geese_comOriginally Posted by destinytot
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Originally Posted by destinytot
The book does mention that the picking action comes not from the wrist but from the hand using the first joint of the thumb for the downstroke and the first finger for the upstroke. Also, that the string is activated by pushing rather than hitting.
After reading that, it made the technique a little clearer.
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I've been using it exclusively for...a year..? Not sure. I worked on the Benson technique for 1-2 years, and while I got really proficient in it, it just never clicked. I successfully made the transition to picking this way in just a couple of months. I'll See if I can get a video up of me demonstrating the technique.
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Originally Posted by Dioxic
I think it would also be great if video examples of members' ideas and playing were exchanged on the forum more often.
I'm glad I stuck my neck out yesterday, but today I feel that I needn't have posted anything longer than these three-minutes:
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Originally Posted by Dioxic
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It's interesting that you are speaking of his picking technique solely from the point of view of speed within the framework of single-note lines.
I try to think of the whole over a constituent part --the single note lines will take care of themselves if I can figure out how to use the pick in conjunction with the other three fingers to play 2,3 or 4 note voicings, as needed. That seems to me the reason why the pick angle is shifting-to allow for the versatility to play anywhere from 1 to 4 notes at a time at the same time (and not merely strummed).
That needs to be obtained with some level of proficiency, and that's what I've been trying to get at.
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Originally Posted by NSJ
Last edited by geese_com; 04-10-2017 at 08:25 PM.
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Originally Posted by NSJ
It would be great if you'd post a video too, NSJ.
Here's my two-minute edit - pick and fingers MAC:
Last edited by destinytot; 04-11-2017 at 06:20 AM.
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Originally Posted by geese_com
I no longer even attempt to buy into 100% of anyone else's method - but I'll 'take what's useful, and leave the rest aside'.
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My teacher from the mid to late 90s Sandy DeVito studied with Chuck Wayne. I think Sandy has a style based on what Chuck does. But all hands are different.
From the videos I've seen of Chuck it seems Sandy bends his index finger in more closer to his palm. But Sandy took lessons from Chuck longer than anyone. In fact, Sandy told me Chuck really was not in the business of giving lessons and he was one of just a few.
Sandy still teaches guitar in San Diego California. Sandy Studied with Chuck for 13 years I believe. Sandy is also very good friends with Bob Benedetto and his family.
Sandy was still actively playing gigs also around the San Diego area pre Covid. He might be back at it a bit again now.
I have a couple of guitar study books by Chuck, one on Chords and another on Scales. They are still in print.
Here is Sandy's profile on the Bennedetto website: Sandy DeVito | Benedetto Guitars
And here is a picture of Bob, Sandy, and Chuck
I searched the forum here and there is another thread on Chuck
Chuck Wayne (jazzguitar.be)
My feeling these days... You probably should not think you should copy exactly another's picking style and the way they hold the pick. All hands are completely different. Chuck Waynes hands are completely different than George Benson who holds the pick completely different than Chuck. But observe others style and then try different things out and decide based on your hands and hands mechanics what works best for you.
I have decided after basically following Sandy DeVito's style for years to switch to a George Benson style. I find for solo lines it is making a huge difference in fluidity and preciseness and speed. And I can still do Hybrid Picking but with my hand shaped slightly different than when I played more like I learned from Sandy.Last edited by oceanslider; 11-28-2021 at 04:05 PM.
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