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For #95
You might be correct. My main (that I did not point out) was when you ask for specific features to built into a high quality rifle, that becomes a custom, nothing off the shelf inventory item. So, you get put on a waiting list. You want a specific non standard thing, you sometimes have to wait.
Tom
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05-05-2023 11:12 AM
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Ibanez, I'm sure, won't stop making them... and their MIJ archtops are excellent. I've owned a JP20, a GB10 (back in the 80's) and have very fond memories of them both. Now I've got an AF55 and I'm eagerly waiting for my AF2000.
Originally Posted by Will Box
Gibson archtops are glorious, I hope they'll keep making them; though if I ever owned one I wouldn't gig with it, they tend to get stolen (in Italy, at least). Collectors and investors probabily buy them more than working (Jazz) musicians do...
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We seem to be similar in age but my perspective is totally the opposite.Young guys today that i deal with are very narrow in their taste's and have zero knowledge of musical history.I've lived in New York City my whole life and when i was young we were listening to Glen Campbell,Hendrix,Wes Monygomery,Ravi Shankar,Bach etc.My parents used to play Sinatra,Benny Goodman,Glen miller and we used to dig it and it became an influence going forward.I would say our generation was the most open to different styles of music because we had Fm radio which was not constrained by any progamming format. Originally Posted by Will Box
I seem to be meeting a lot of young people, like under 30's, that are really into jazz and other related styles.
Kids these days are musically way more open minded than my generation (born mid fifties) ever were.
Go Gibson! Start making those fine archtops, so today's youth, in time, will have an alternative to cheap Chinese and Indonesian knock-offs.
IMHO. Not that anybody cares about my opinion.
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When growing up mid ‘60’s, my folks weren’t much of music listeners. For me it was self exploratory. My friend and I had a huge paper route. After a year we gave it up and got our bond money back….$150 each. What to do with it? He bought a Silvertone guitar that came in a case with built-in amp. I bought a Kay archtop. Things progressed. We taught each other popular guitar tunes…Green Onions, Ventures, etc. Played in a local high school group mid 60’s to late ‘78. For me playing in the high school stage band and reading music was what led me to liking jazz guitar.
Today I pick away at getting my son and grandson to develop an appreciation for Montgomery, Burrell, Green, Christian, Pass, Hall, Smith, Benson, etc. I hope some of it sticks! If I don’t attempt to do it, they sure won’t stumble upon it on their own.
Tom
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Maybe it was mentioned previously but Gibson only has two USA factories now. Solid bodies in Nashville and acoustics in Bozeman. They closed Memphis in 2018 where the archtops were made. They would likely need to make a serious investment in a new factory to restart production of archtops at scale. I guess in some respects the decision to move in that direction would be how profitable their solid bodies and acoustics are. My guess is that the competition makes that decision for them and to even keep up with the competition they need to pump out those models before considering archtops. They could go boutique custom on archtops (which is what I think they do know) but prices to the consumer will be through the roof (which I think they are now.)
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While Memphis was open, they only made ES models (a few continued to be made in Nashville). Since closing, ES models have been made in Nashville. They didn’t make carved archtops. Bozeman is and always has been primarily made flattop acoustics although they did make very small numbers of some carved acoustic archtops. All other carved archtops were made in Nashville ever since the time of the Kalamazoo closing. As far as I know all of the equipment for making carved archtops is still in Nashville. As for how much know how remains though, I have no idea. I think more than physical retooling they will face more of a brain/skill retooling need l, should they restart making carved archtops. Originally Posted by lammie200
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The Crimson shop was a separate building down the road from the the main Nashville factory. Both the Memphis factory and Crimson shop buildings were sold during the bankruptcy.
Currently the carved archtops were being made in a crowded corner of the Nashville custom shop.
Currently they just don’t have the proper room and setup to build archtops like when they had the Crimson factory building.
The 175 is a different story. They have the laminate presses and it isn’t that much different then building 335’s. The Florentine cut is a little more involved but the rest of the build is easier due to no center block. 175’s just need a green light and they could be made tomorrow with no problem.
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I really hope they start making some I'm in my early 30's and love Jazz love archtops my friends an I all listen to 1920s, 1930s, 1940s 50's n 60s music I'd sooner listen to Charlie Christian, Wes Montgomery or Chet, Peter Green an Danny Kirwan etc any day over the modern music now
Being a lefty it's even harder to find any lefty archtop's I ended up with a Gretsch G5420-TG-59 lefty the sound is so good played into my ToneMaster Deluxe Reverb an a second hand Epiphone Masterbilt Deluxe I've converted to play lefty. When I was looking I played a brand new Joe Pass righty flipped upside down sounded really nice, n a Epiphone Broadway which I regret not buying n converting as that's the closest I'll ever probably find to a L5 - CES I'd love one with staple pickups.
I'd also love to buy a ES150 with a CC pickup but they don't make them so that'l be something for my modern Masterbilt when I can afford a pickup for it.
If I was at Gibson I'd get the Joe Pass out an about more n the Broadway via Epiphone then get something based on the CES out that'd be my take n don't forget about us lefties although we make a small percentage of players it's still a considerable amount that will buy a new guitar if we are catered for.
Lucy
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If that off topic comment was aimed at me John about punctuation and spelling I'm severely dyslexic and don't have luxury of the ability to have perfect spelling grammar and punctuation. I have ability in other areas we are all different and unique.
Just to add to my comment before looking at the Ibanez and Gretsch offerings you would think Epi/Gibson would certainly get some archtops into the range Both Ibanez and Gretsch offer lefties as well. At affordable prices to. The way my Gretsch plays compares to much higher cost guitars I've played especially the neck and fretwork plus tonality from the pickups a beautiful airy quality.
Lucy
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Go to 46:00 to see something special! Originally Posted by QAman
I think Gibson is in good hands with Cesar. The company is doing very well and I expect to see more limited historic releases of various models.
He’s a very passionate and intelligent guy who will preserve the legacy just fine. Cesar , JC and Mark are a team, and hopefully JC is off to new rewarding ventures.
As for the current build quality- my friend and I just bought new R9’s and the workmanship is fantastic and the tone is equal to the few real ones that I’ve played. I bought the standard VOS reissue and he got the ultra light Murphy Lab- both a blast to play.
Attached is a video worth watching. Fast forward to 23:00 if you want to see the 59’ Les Paul.
Pic of my new R9
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Quite unexpectedly, I"m finding myself feeling very optimistic about GenZ and civilization. I know, I know... faith shouting out in the darkness, but I feel it. Every GenZ I actually take the time to get to know turns out to be an amazing young person that I'll be glad to see in charge of things. Originally Posted by skiboyny
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Disappointing that neither of them knew that the amp is an EH-150. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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The weird thing about archtops is... if you have spent a long time playing flat-tops, the transition to a tiny skinny solid-body electric can be hard. I really am still not comfortable playing a strat or tele body, though I'm getting there. I played Martin D18's and D28's and such for 30 years and found archtops simply to be physically a nice and easy transition when i wanted to go electric. And with today's modeling amps, your archtop can be made to sound like anything you want.
I notice a lot of the GenZ young people love flat top acoustic guitars. Maybe they'll discover this painless transition to electric as well. that's one advantage to the archtop that isn't tied to musical genre. It's just more comfortable coming from flat-tops.
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I would think it would be much easier going to a 335-type. Yes, it's still thin but at least it's not tiny. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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As to the new CEO, that's got to be a good thing. Nice to have a guy at the top who loves guitars. We wish he'd said "I love Wes. He's the reason I play guitar" instead of "I love Megadeth. They're the reason I play guitar", but it's certainly a step in the right direction.
I bet they'd be making production archtops if they didn't last so dang long.The folks who play them are a small slice of the pie, and the people that need new ones are a smaller slice of that. How many 70 year old cars get driven around town every day?
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Well I am a 70 year old guy driving a 23 year old car. Originally Posted by ccroft
Anyway, good point about the longevity of archtop guitars. That is one reason I was willing to pay much more for a decent Gibson archtop than I have ever paid for a car.
Tony
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You seem to have a more intimate view than I. I hope these examples you have met begin to lead the charge. The big picture at the moment can be scary at times. Here’s to seeing it your way! Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Only 8 strings? Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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