If you want a 175, only a 175 will do. But why?

[jorgemg1984]

Yes, i agree it sounds a lot like bernstein's tone on that recording. I believe bernstein was using a tube amp, maybe fender deluxe. That probably accounts for some of the bright compression on both of those recordings.

I'm not sure polytone was being manufactured when that joe pass recording came out. I wonder if joe plugged into the board ? Sounds like a SS amp for sure. Maybe a standel? Probably whatever the studio had on hand.

I had a sadowsky jim hall briefly and comparing it to the 175 in the room, the sadowsky was much brighter through the same amp which I attribute to the maple neck and ebony board. But clearly, it's a great sounding instrument.

Bernstein's regular amp is a blackface Vibrolux, maybe that's what he used= And I guess Joe plugged into the board? I know he did that often, I think Virtuoso was recorded that way...

Anyway, I never tried a Sadowsky, and I do believe they're very different from a 175. But with the righ pickup, the right amp and in the context of a band I think the Sadowsky is able to get much closer to the 175 "eletric" sound than expected, although not the more acoustic "thunk" sound of Joe Pass. I think for that only a 175 will do the job - my Guild X-500 also thunks, like most laminate archtops, but in a completely different way.

[jorgemg1984]

I think a big part of Kreisberg's tone comes from his incredible pick control, so precise and even. I tried roundwounds and they are always too bright, with too much string noise, but he pulls it off, somehow.

That basic 175 tone is still there to my ears, though, not quite as "thunky", but just that full range of frequencies, like hitting the loudness button on a stereo, or using a nice clean boost pedal with the same effect (Xotic RC booster, anyone?)

I guess the string thing is just an habit. I've been using rounds for so long now, I played flats the other day and it was very weird... Your picking and left hand adjust so the string noise is not as noticiable - and the brightness wers off quickly. When you get used to it, you find flats "dead" Again, in a band context, all that vanishes.

One detail - Jonathan seems to know his stuff. I'm assuming the amp is a DRRI and he pluggs into the "normal channel" to avoid the "bright cap" sound of the other channel, clever

[jzucker]

i think kriesberg also picks over the neck pickup which helps a lot with the roundwound strings. I play a few inches further back and it ends up sounding a bit brash with the rounds for me. However, I put rounds on my GB10 a while back and surprisingly really loved them even though that guitar is really bright sounding. The rounds have a resonance that is really sweet and missing from the flatwounds.

[SOLR]

Interestingly enough, Kreisberg just posted a 175 clip. Sounds great, as always.

Very nice playing as always but not his usual "JK sound" (what to expect from a warm up in a large tiled bathroom type dressing room better suited for footballers ..). I like this tone so much better :

or this

or this for thunk

That's the only 175 I want....

He uses a very thick pick (1.5mm ) and you can hear him compress those strings, that gives it his very personal "tone"reminiscent of early Jim Hall 175 with quite the opposite string and pick set up...so "that" tone is in the fingers .

S

[jzucker]

Bernstein's regular amp is a blackface Vibrolux, maybe that's what he used= And I guess Joe plugged into the board? I know he did that often, I think Virtuoso was recorded that way...

Anyway, I never tried a Sadowsky, and I do believe they're very different from a 175. But with the righ pickup, the right amp and in the context of a band I think the Sadowsky is able to get much closer to the 175 "eletric" sound than expected, although not the more acoustic "thunk" sound of Joe Pass. I think for that only a 175 will do the job - my Guild X-500 also thunks, like most laminate archtops, but in a completely different way.

I've seen Jon several times and he's was playing in stereo with a deluxe and some type of solid state amp, polytone, yamaha, etc. (probably the SS amp is the house amp)

[lawson-stone]

Nb: I haven’t tried the Ephiphone premium 175. I think Lawsons input on would be worth listening to…

I don't have the Epiphone Premium anymore, but I really liked it and often compared it to my 1959 Re-issue ES175. The Epi was lighter than the current ES175 and identical in weight to the Re-issued Gibson. It had the thinner Epiphone neck of course, but overall I was quite impressed with how close the Epiphone got. I think on YouTube I have a side-by-side demo somewhere.

I have fiddled a bit with ES175 copies and would say the Ephiphone Premium was the closest I found. Actually the Aria Pro II Herb Ellis or FA70 also is mighty close.

[jzucker]

I don't have the Epiphone Premium anymore, but I really liked it and often compared it to my 1959 Re-issue ES175. The Epi was lighter than the current ES175 and identical in weight to the Re-issued Gibson. It had the thinner Epiphone neck of course, but overall I was quite impressed with how close the Epiphone got. I think on YouTube I have a side-by-side demo somewhere.

I have fiddled a bit with ES175 copies and would say the Ephiphone Premium was the closest I found. Actually the Aria Pro II Herb Ellis or FA70 also is mighty close.

I had a aria herb ellis and '89 175 at the same time. The HE was much brighter.

[Doctor Jeff]

Very nice playing as always but not his usual "JK sound" (what to expect from a warm up in a large tiled bathroom type dressing room better suited for footballers ..). I like this tone so much better :

or this

or this for thunk

That's the only 175 I want....

He uses a very thick pick (1.5mm ) and you can hear him compress those strings, that gives it his very personal "tone"reminiscent of early Jim Hall 175 with quite the opposite string and pick set up...so "that" tone is in the fingers .

S

He is playing the hell out of his 175 on this gig with Dr. Lonnie Smith. Not a traditional 175 tone, in fact I would say almost Scofield-esque.

The (different) guitar solo on Lonnie's Breathe album is one for the ages. Brilliant solo.

[jorgemg1984]

Yeah, his "rock" tones out of the 175 are great. My favorties are these two

[Maxxx]

I got to try a Gibson ES175 today.. was almost £5,000.

Guess it wasn't a nice one. Sounded annoyingly twangy, thin and weedy both acoustically and through a big old vintage Fender Twin Reverb.