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Nice! Do you happen to know the alloy that's used?
Originally Posted by ThatRhythmMan
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11-05-2022 03:28 PM
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Since i developed a nickel allergy, i have had all my guitars refretted with Evo-gold. With nickel frets i had a fret-job once a year on my most used guitar, but since i had the evo-frets installed i haven't had any fret issues in 3 years. They are also very close to nickel in feel.
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Gotta try this! THanks for the tip! Originally Posted by PatrickWD
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They say it’s a proprietary alloy. I know that it’s nickel-free and does have copper in the mix. I believe it’s supposed to have titanium in the mix as well. Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
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Because they sound better? i don't like SS frets because they have a bright ping to the attack. Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
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I’d like gold frets. Not actual gold just colored to match my hardware
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EVO Gold on my GJS. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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I think the way he did this (sawing back and forth pressing in both sides of the fret) probably exaggerated the effect, but sure, frets wear. I just had two of my guitars refretted, both of them for the first time. One is 33 years old, the other is 17 years old. I bend strings quite a bit. I can live with that rate of erosion (to be fair, the 33 yo one should have been refretted a while sooner).
Last edited by John A.; 11-06-2022 at 07:14 PM.
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The sound is brighter and a tad thinner in tone, but it isn't lower in quality. Originally Posted by RJVB
They do have a different feel. You can feel the strings gliding effortlessly over them instead of sawing into them like nickel. Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
It does change the sound. All you do is compensate by adding more bass on the eq. How hard is it to turn a knob? :PPersonally I find them cold on the fretting, there's a sound, a harshness or pingy quality when I'm fretting with stainless steel.
I'm sure there are many out there that aren't bothered by the difference, but it's one thing to keep in mind if you're making choices about fret materials.
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i dunno, i've been play nickel/silver frets for over 50 years and bend notes and I don't think I've *EVERY* felt a string sawing into a fret. This whole discussion is a solution in search of a problem IMO.
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The video literally shows the string eroding the nickel fret after each pass..
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I don't really care what the video shows. I've had my strat for 10+ years with nickel silver frets and have spent hundreds of hours on it (mostly playing blues) and the fret wear is undetectable from a playing perspective. My tacoma is 20 years old also with hundreds of hours of playing on it, undetectable fret wear. Same with my 20+ year old GB10. Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
Not going to wring my hands over what a video supposedly is showing and none of my veteran instruments feel like the strings are sawing through them.
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Well that's good. I do my own fret jobs and they're very tedious. So I don't want divits in my frets after a month after all that hard work. I also like the feel of ss better so I use them on all my guitars.
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If I have divots in any of my guitars they are undetectable by any normal means. I like the sound of nickel/silver frets. I feel like this whole thread is an example of the worst kind of OCD when it comes to instruments. They were meant to be played and fret wear, nicks, scratches are all part of normal wear and tear. Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
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It shows schmutz that might be fret shavings, but it might be some other form of crud. But assuming that it is fret shavings, it's not giving us any sense of the quantity or how long that level of scraping would take to cause detectable wear in the fret to a player. It does not show before/after measurements of the frets. It does not show a comparison between the amount of force he's using in sawing back and forth and the force used by a player. Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
So, yes, maybe there's something going on, but maybe there's less than meets the eye. Stainless steel frets seem like a good idea for people who really wear through frets fast, but many people don't, and nickel silver works fine. I think it also bears pointing out that if Jack Z is calling you out for exaggerated obsession with the minutia of guitar condition you are one seriously obsessed cat.
Last edited by John A.; 11-06-2022 at 08:27 PM.
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I'm really surprised with this forum's members reaction to a "stupid" thread that interests few elsewhere. Even JZ is upset, (well he does "sound" upset in his replies). I really thought this would be of interest to some and the others would just walk past it ..... Originally Posted by jzucker
A closing thought, were the strings used for the test stainless or ??? on nickel frets or??
P.S. As a jazzer all my life (>70 yrs) I've never had a fret change myself (I wiggle more than I bend anyways) so I did not take the whole experiment all that seriously...just thought some would be entertained..
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I don’t baby my car and don’t mind buying new tires when I need them. Just sayin’.
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You must be a lifelong flats player, that amount of time would be impossible using rounds unless you hardly played the guitar. Originally Posted by SOLR
I'm really surprised with this forum's members reaction to a "stupid" thread that interests few elsewhere. Even JZ is upset, (well he does "sound" upset in his replies). I really thought this would be of interest to some and the others would just walk past it .....
A closing thought, were the strings used for the test stainless or ??? on nickel frets or??
P.S. As a jazzer all my life (>70 yrs) I've never had a fret change myself (I wiggle more than I bend anyways) so I did not take the whole experiment all that seriously...just thought some would be entertained..
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Flats, yes, several instruments in that time too ... none of my current ones are as old as me Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Rounds on my strat for 10+ years, rounds on the GB10 which is 20 years old, just recently got its first set of flats, rounds on my acoustic guitar for 20+ years. Not noticeable wear. Yes, there are a few small divots in the lower fret positions but no buzzing, no cause for alarm. These guitars probably won't need a refret in my lifetime Originally Posted by wintermoon
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That's not unusual, not a fan of flats, they sound flat to me, no sparkle. I'll get a good 10 yrs out of a set of nickel frets on my gigging L5 w rounds. I know some gigging cats that only get a couple yrs. ymmv and probably does. Originally Posted by jzucker
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Rounds on my 1980 LP Custom. I’ve had it since 1990, original frets. While it doesn’t get played a lot anymore, it was basically the only guitar I played for 10 years. Originally Posted by wintermoon
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I suspect fretting pressure makes some difference. Some players use a heavier touch than others.
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unless a chemical analysis was done of the scrapings we don't know if it's oxidation that's scraping off the fret or even finish. Sometimes the frets have a bit of polishing compound and I've even seen them coated with a lacquer.
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You don't have to get mad and try to disprove the fact that nickel frets get eroded by the strings and ss frets don't. It's a preference that some like the sound of nickel and some don't care. I get my necks from warmoth and I simply select ss as the option. No ocd involved. I like that they don't wear at all and have a slinky feel to the bends. I do find them brighter and thinner but I simply adjust with the eq. I do my own fret jobs which are tedious and I don't want that corrupted after a few months of playing. It's my preference..
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